roosevelt institute. it is quite fitting that we have one of the family members who has been actively engaged with the presidential library and that also being the first of our libraries. and then we have dr. martha mar. she is a professor at towson university but also a distinguished, recognized presidential historian and also author. and we'll hear -- she'll sum it all up for us. we'll hear from her in just a second. let me recognize dr. thomas schwartz, again, the illinois state historian and with the abraham lincoln presidential library and museum. welcome, sir. you're recognized. >> tank you. chairman mica, chairman issa, members of the committee, i thank you for the opportunity to testify on the mission and future direction of presidential libraries. my comments will focus on the abraham lincoln presidential museum and possible areas for further collaboration. he declared if we could first know where we are and whether we are tending, we could then better judge what to do and how to do it. the an ha

one of inspiring american who comes to mind is eleanor roosevelt. in 1961, the former first lady was unhappy about the lack of women in government. she marched up to president kennedy and handed him a three- page list of women qualified for top posts in his administration. this led the president to select mrs. roosevelt as the head of a new commission to look at the status of women in america. she passed away before the commission could finish its work. the report they released spurred action across the country. it helped galvanize a movement led by women that would help make our society a more equal place. it has been almost 50 years since the roosevelt commission published its findings. there have been few similar efforts by the government in the decades that followed. that is why last week here at the white house, we released a new comprehensive report on the status of women in the spirit of the one released half a century ago. there is a lot of positive news about the strides we've made. women have caught up with men in seeking higher education.

roosevelt's insight into international law. because in2000 the security council unanimously passed resolution 1325. and this landmark decision recognized first that women's experience of war were different from men's and second that a nation's women were an untapped resource for buildingpeace. resolution 1325 called on all actors, national and international to fully involve women in preventing, resolving and recovering from conflict; and to ensure that all peace building efforts are consistent with principals of gender equality. resolution 135 thus articulated in the security field precisely the two objectives that u.n. women, still just two mnths old pursues: to empower women and to promote gender equality. this is also reflected in our official name, which is very long to remember, but i will remind you: it's called united women. but it's real name is united nations entity for gender equality and the empowerment of women. it's real long, isn't it? so it's reflective in u.n. women. and as the u.n. women's first leader, i am co

roosevelt championed. and even that august body, i am sure she would be have hoped to see redundant before now. as mrs. roosevelt knew obtaining formal equality was not the same as enjoying substantive equality. just as having one's right officially recognized is not the same as being able to exercise them, much less to effect social change. in 1934, eleanor roosevelt said, and i quote, fourteen years since women's suffrage have now gone by. and everywhere people are asking, what have the women done with the vote? i often wonder why they don't ask the men the same question. and i have to tell you that when i made my first cabinet and it was -- you cannot imagine the kind of things that they said. why parity? you had to be talented people. i asked why they never ask that. i mean i didn't know, but i said the same thing. why do you ask the same when they are all men, or 75 or 90% men. eleanor roosevelt continues saying, i realize that it is a high compliment to women that they were expected to bring about ma

he's talking about franklin roosevelt.and you know there are many people who are saying well glenn beck is a modern friend coffman years. there are dates in this country that will live in infamy black has a october twenty ninth one hundred twenty nine for a harbor december seventh one hundred forty one september eleventh two thousand and one and now i believe you can add july twenty first two thousand and ten of his list this will be the day that will be remembered is the day the final nail in the republic was founded into the coffin frankly i believe that this nation that i was born into that i'm a citizen of proudly is better than that there were better than eight and fear if such as franklin roosevelt said so brilliantly not speaking of world war two but in one nine hundred thirty three speaking of the great depression franklin roosevelt look at a nation of people who were terrified because of twelve years of republican rule and the disastrous economic consequences of the republican great depression and said this. let m

and looked at every single president since franklin roosevelt through george w. bush. what we tried to do was think of every possible way that we could measure public religious acidy. what presidents invoked god in a speech, when they talk about the bible, scripture, when they use terms like a blessing and pray and so on, broader faith terms. retract how often do but go out and give a speech to me specifically religious audience in a church. retract the number of times there would issue proclamations that dealt specifically with religion. we even went so far to look up how the public will mark the occasion of christmas. we tried to think of every possible way we could measure up president's public religiose city to measure whether or not there was a shift in how presidents did this over time. after poring over thousands and thousands of public communications on different measures it turns out the pattern was the same again and again and again. the pattern was the was a tremendous increase and president's public religiosity beginning with the election of ronald re

roosevelt championed. and even that august body, i am sure she would be have hoped to see redundant before now. as mrs. roosevelt knew obtaining formal equality was not the same as enjoying substantive equality. just as having one's right officially recognized is not the same as being able to exercise them, much less to effect social change. in 1934, eleanor roosevelt said, and i quote, fourteen years since women's suffrage have now gone by. and everywhere people are asking, what have the women done with the vote? i often wonder why they don't ask the men the same question. and i have to tell you that when i made my first cabinet and it was -- you cannot imagine the kind of things that they said. why parity? you had to be talented people. i asked why they never ask that. i mean i didn't know, but i said the same thing. why do you ask the same when they are all men, or 75 or 90% men. eleanor roosevelt continues saying, i realize that it is a high compliment to women that they were expected to bring about ma

where elanor roosevelt had a career in women's rights. you may have read "new york times" piece when the president asked her to lead a status of women she accepted saying men have to be reminded that women exist. this past tells a story of strong women existing and striving side by side. fdr's mother, sarah, imagined a beautiful home for newlyweds, so in 1908, she built this house and loved it so much she kept half of it for herself. [laughter] talk about your new deal. now, technically, one side belongs to the newlyweds and the other half to sarah, but as you can guess from the single entrance you came in and with the convenient connection, sarah was not too fussy about the distinction. she said you were never sure when she would appear, day or night. [laughter] you thought you had mother-in-law issues. [laughter] the unconventional arrangement was also an opportunity. sarah's handling of domestic manners gave her freedom. she would walk uptown to spend time with the hunter students we expect that that inspired her to become the advocate

that's what president roosevelt did as he began his fourth term in office. mr. speaker, here's what president roosevelt said on january 11, 1944, in his state of the union address. january 11, 1944, unemployment is beginning to come down but throughout president roosevelt's administration, we see the highest levels of unemployment in the history of the united states. the period known as the great depression. but as we are coming out of the great depression, president roosevelt, after having served nearly four temples as president of the united states -- four terms as president of the united states has some insights on how future generations of americans must address unemployment. today, unemployment hovering at around 9%. let's hear what our president had to say he said, it is now our duty to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an american standard of living higher than we have ever known before. we cannot be content, no matter how high the general standard of living may be, if some fraction o

let's not or get bitter roosevelt's response to wilson. he said, first we are to make the world safe for ourselves. that is the policy we should be pursuing. on a subject i know is a sensitive one i want to be clear here. the way we do that is to pursue the policy of peace through strength. that means sufficient budgetary expenditures for our military that no adversary dared to challenge us anywhere in the world. -- pudares to challenge us anywhere in the world. there is waste and fraud in the defense department. of course there is. it is part of the governments. we should find the waste and fraud and root it out. we need to plow that money back into our dispense expenditures. the obama administration has already cut $300 billion, our defense base line. a couple of months ago the secretary of defense proposed $78 billion more expenditures. it will have to keep that level of defense spending up, i am privately happy to find offsetting domestic programs that cut even more deeply than some have proposed. -- deals look perfectly happy to find

so what does roosevelt do? the only president who's ever had to confront unemployment at the level that we are confronting it right now, you know what he does, mr. speaker? he turns to the constitution of the united states answered says, these are the things we need to add. if the first amendment can guarantee us 51% of all jobs and from it can come ipods and laptops and the internet and unprecedented growth, we need to add to the constitution the right to a family to have a decent home. what would that do for home construction in this nation? what would that do for millions of unemployed people? he says, we need to add to the constitution the right to medical care. how many doctors would such a right create? he says, we need to add to the constitution of the united states the right to a decent education for every american. how many schools would such a right build from main to california? -- maine to california? how many people would be put to work building roofs and designing classrooms and providing every st

roosevelt made her first speech in a long career of women's rights.n the president asked her to lead a commission on the status of women, she accepted, saying men have to be reminded that women exist. this house tells a story of strong women existing and thriving side-by-side. fdr was the mother imagined a beautiful home for her daughter, eleanor roosevelt. she built this house and loved it so much, she kept half of it for herself. technically one half belong to the newlyweds and the other half to sarah. sarah was not too fussy about this distinction. as eleanor said, you are never quite sure when she would appear, day or night. and you thought you had mother- in-law issues. but the unconventional arrangement was also an opportunity. eleanor had unusual freedoms, and she often walked up town to spend time with a hunter students. in the early 1920's -- in the '20s century, higher education for women was still a progressive idea. a long and rich relationship developed between the roosevelt and a hunter community and lasted even after they left for the w

it will be tonight and wednesday at roosevelt at 6:00 p.m.. thursday march 10 at 5:30 p.m.. and 6:00 at the middle school. thursday, march 17 at marina middle school. there are several others that are hosting the. you can check the web site. and the next item is a public comment on consent items. i don't -- i need a motion into a consent on this calendar. >> on page 11, it is # 136-039 for apple computer. we need to change it to $264,286.404. this includes sales tax. and 4bb1138k14 on page 78. it should read it july 1, 2010. >> could you repeat those dates? >> july 1, 2010 through june 30, 2011. president mendoza: any items removed by the board? commissioner murase: pages 13 to 456, the contract modifications for facilities. there is a analysis before we vote on that section. [unintelligible] this is severed for discussion. president mendoza: removing these for first reading? he wanted to do this later? any items for vote tonight? commissioner murase: page 13-45 for discussion. >> a point of information, on the mlu on page 9, following it are the white pages. i'm asking abou

stanford is preparing to build a research and engineering campus on roosevelt island. it's just east of manhattan. complex could cost a billion dollars, house up to 2200 students. the mayor asked leading institutions to submit ideas for science and engineering centers hoping to attract more tech firms and talent in the area. stanford's proposal would be called silicon valley ii. >> mike has more. >> let's check on the radar. where the tornado could possibly go. you see foster city, hayward at 11:38 and 11:44 newark, we are seeing rotation in the middle of the storm that it could produce a tornado uy are going to have gusty winds and heavy rain and small hail so seek shelter now. >> and back upin this in the moment and companies are warned against the new 3-d devices and they may end up being a lifesaver. >> and members of a coastguard are recognized of saving the life of a teenage boy. @ñ@ñ@ñ@ñ@ñ >>> firefighters have blocked off part of pacific avenue as what is being described as funnel cloud that did serious damage to a business. about 9:15 they heard a huge gust of

stanford is preparing to build a research and engineering campus on roosevelt island.t's just east of manhattan. complex could cost a billion dollars, house up to 2200 students. the mayor asked leading institutions to submit ideas for science and engineering centers hoping to attract more tech firms and talent in the area. stanford's proposal would be called silicon valley ii. >> mike has more. >> let's check on the radar. where the tornado could possibly go. you see foster city, hayward at 11:38 and 11:44 newark, we are seeing rotation in the middle of the storm that it could produce a tornado uy are going to have gusty winds and heavy rain and small hail so seek shelter now. >> and back upin this in the moment and companies are warned against the new 3-d devices and they may end up being a lifesaver. >> and members of a coastguard are recognized of saving the some say a longtime student association - on campuses for years - has morphed into something else . the muslim students association has been a virtual terror factory. these are msa leaders, who've been implicate

19th century, during my trip, i started to read up a lot of these lives of great win, like eleanor roosevelt, margaret mead. every name that is so familiar to us, but yet, we never had time to just sit and read their stories. these women just inspire us and motivate us to do even more. so i know that you are rushing, but i want to present you this little book that i read and finished. i know that you have lots of things to read, but i hope you will find time on your bookshelf for this one. i just wanted to give you this introductory remarks written for this little book. i think this was written by vincent wilson jr.. i think continually of those are truly great, the names of those who in their lives fought for lives, who were in their heart, the fire center. born of the sun, they traveled toward the sun. thank you so much for spending time with all of the honorees today and especially for this great honor. thank you. [applause] >> hello, i'm the president of the commission on the status of women, and i'm here to thank the friends of the status for women. without their efforts, we would not b

they are proposing to build a research facility on roosevelt island.t could cost up to billion dollars and house graduate students and offer full degrees. mayor bloomberg wants people to submit ideas for the project. ♪ ♪ >> the bay to breakers races has found a new sponsor. dazzle has agreed to sponsor the race for the neck two years. race on organizers has warned that bay to breakers could be cancelled after the previous sponsor announced it may pull out about growing concerns over alcohol. organizers have announced they have sold all 50,000 tickets for the hundredth anniversary race coming up in may. >>> service members will receive the gift of laughter from livermore school children. >> knock-knock. >> who is there? >> the kids are writing knock-knock jokes sent in care packages from blue star moms. >> i think it will make them really, really happy, make them think of good things. >> i want them to be happy. >> that was first grader, angelica evans, she came up with the idea and all the other students decided to pitch in. >>> next at 5:00, latest on

when president roosevelt said we have got to give seniors in america some peace of mind that when retirement rolls around and their senior years roll around that they will in fact have enough money to live on. not in a luxurious way, but the basics. there was a time, i can remember in my family and in many american families where grandparents moved back in with the kids because there was no place to go. they could no longer work and they can no longer afford their homes, and they became part of the larger family. it happened in my family. it happened in others. then came social security. and with a little planning and a little saving and social security checks, senior citizens had independence. it was a critically important thing. it was an insurance plan, not a welfare plan, an insurance plan that virtually every american paid into and drew from. so where are we today? i arrived in congress in 1983 -- brand-new member of the house from illinois -- and they said welcome to washington, social security's broke. i said great. i thought i'd get a little breathing space here, but in fact there wa

franklin roosevelt had great reservations about them. other progressive figures have as well. and the reason why is that they're not like industrial unions. they're not organized against the power of capital, they're organized against the power of the public. and [indiscernible] officials. >> charlie: he brought us the black swan nassim taleb is back with a new book driving our economy. >> it has so much complexity that we need to have more reserves in a way against unpredictability and i refer very often to mother nature as west manager. mother nature gave it to me and you don't have to predict what makes you lose one of them. it's a virus, bacteria or anything else. you have a buffer. >> charlie: and we conclude with mike huckabee the former governor of arkansas who might run for president again. >> we certainly need a person who thinks he can do the job and frankly i think i can. i think i can run against president obama more effectively than any republican i see. >> charlie: why do you think that. >> i think i can articulate the mess

the first comprehensive white house report on women, since president kennedy asked eleanor roosevelt to lead a study in 1962, paints a portrait of a modern woman -- less june cleaver -- >> did you have a good day, dear? >> miserable. >> that's nice. >> reporter: -- more liz lemon. >> there are other things in life, like having a career. >> reporter: the obama administration report finds women have eliminated the gender gap in education. now, just as likely as men to have a college degree. young women actually are more likely to have a degree, reversing the norm of 40 years ago. after booming for decades, the rate of women entering the labor force has now tapered off. about 61% of women work. but the report says women are still paid about 75% of what their male counterparts are paid. >> it's one thing to know something intuitively, it's very different to have the evidence that actually backs it up. this report gives us that evidence. >> reporter: it's a conclusion that does not sit well with women around the country. >> it's disgusting, aggravating, annoying. i find it all the time wh

the university is focusing its new location on the roosevelt island in manhattan. if approved, it would be the university's only major campus outside of the palo alto area. the cost of the new campus could be up to $1 billion. officials say it would house up to 2200 graduate students and 100 faculty members, as well as offices and recreation facilities. stanford's proposal was in response to our request by new york mayor michael bloomberg. >>> it is the sporting event that has everyone all abuzz this time of year. now you can experience march madness in 3d. how a silicon valley giant is bringing the venue to you. ,,,,,,,, >> so, ah, your seat good? got the mirrors all adjusted? you can see everything ok? just stay off the freeways, all right? i don't want you going out on those yet. and leave your phone in your purse, i don't want you texting. >> daddy... ok! ok, here you go. be careful. >> thanks dad. >> and call me--but not while you're driving. we knew this day was coming. that's why we bought a subaru. watching college basketball on >>> some live shows to see t

so he writes a letter to franklin roosevelt warning that a bomb could be built and he says the germans may be doing this and you ought to start a project. a somewhat odd because he had been a pacifist involved with a lot world federalist type of causes, jay edgar hoover who back then was the head of the fbi has been compiling a dossier as being disloyal. thousands of pages available from the freedom of information act, and they decide he's too much of a security risk to let him know about the atom bomb projects even if you read this letter telling franklin roosevelt to do it so he wasn't destined to work on it and in fact there red scare comes along, but he believes a simple equation, three - three expression and free thought were necessary for the creativity. so he doesn't work of the atom bomb project but he does help support the war effort. when the bomb is built, he's pretty much associated in the public mind with it when you see that mushroom cloud we imagine equals mc squared next to it and everybody ties him together with the bomb. he feels somewhat mixed emotions of course havi

you would make sure that it was safe. 100 years ago, teddy roosevelt was president, and your pipes were brand new. now, our infrastructure is old. 100, 200 years old. it's not been upgraded or fixed or replaced, sometimes, ever. man: if these systems are not maintained, sooner or later they're going to fail. they all have a life expectancy. if you don't maintain them and constantly check them and then do what's necessary to rehabilitate or repair, you're going to have a big problem. and they're going to collapse. they're going to fail. and all of a sudden, the water, or the sewage that normally goes through them, will not have any place to go. it'll back up into homes, it'll back up onto the street. it's normally out of sight, out of mind. once it comes to the surface, it's a whole 'nother animal. melosi: you're talking about system-wide problems that would take tremendous human resources to correct. this is true with drinking water, as well as wastewater. man: first, our top story. thousands of people are without water tonight. woman: a flash flood of the manmade kind. apparently, a 12

nothing, his death was a shoe salesman who lost his job in the great depression and went to work for roosevelts wpa. my father was a small town life guard, but he had big dreams. he wanted to go to hollywood from a young age. >> were those dreams encouraged by his mother? i think his mother may have been the only one who m.a.s. -- who encouraged those dreams. and his fiancee at the time, mugs cleaver, she left him over his dream of going to hollywood. he told his friends, though, there in dixon, ill., within five years i will be making $5,000 per week, which at the time was an astronomical figure. and he made it. just under the wire he got a contract in hollywood. >> do you believe in the american dream? >> that is a good question. i do not think i believe in it as wholeheartedly as he did because i think i have a perception that there are some people for whom the american dream is a very distant prospect. there is some -- there are some people for whom the american dream is much more difficult to attain. >> it is literally a dream? >> it is literally a dream, by virtue of the circumstances of

. >> right now we're on the far south side of chicago in the roosevelt community.all the quote, unquote, wild 100. >> that's because chicago averages 1,800 shootings per year. last year, chicago had the second highest number of murders with 458. behind new york city with 471. >> a 13-year-old named robert freeman was shot 22 times two blocks from here. we heard part of the shots coming out because we were here late. in about ten seconds, we hear police and ambulances rolling down the block. everybody running, what's going on, you know? >> the shooting had a devastating impact on the kids in the community. >> it really concerned me when i saw you guys' faces after you saw he was shot 22 times, and you all looked really, really concerned. >> that scared me. >> i'm concerned for my nephews. that boy was 13. i've got a nephew who is 12. >> in 2007 near the center diane erected a shrine to memorialize the kids that died too soon. >> i was at home one day, and i saw the stones for the yard and it looked like little headstones and i said i want to do something that will r

roosevelts continues to unfold in the arab. they spoke with the middle east expert and head of russia's foreign affairs committee to get all of the rule makers that that is a crucial time for the arab world for a new identity. well regular thank you very much for being with us today. now from the latest news would you describe the vents in libya as a revolution or has it turned into a civil war already well my feeling is that it's more and more like looks like a civil war are only a revolution can turn into an civil war if it does not solve all the problems of the regime change overnight as happened in russia after nineteen seventeen revolution it was happening in several countries so there is nothing strange how likely is the u.n. u.s. intervention in libya will i suspect today when america is involved in two very difficult wars in islamic world again a student in iraq and the decision to get into another war in spite of either it is short or long will be serious damage for the image of president obama i don't think for him fo

a free vaccination clinic was held at roosevelt middle school. a new state law says every 7th through 12th grader must get a whooping cough shot beginning this fall. students without it or an exemption will not be allowed to be in school. >> it is good to protect from that because california is still in the middle of a whooping cough epidemic. there were 10 infant deaths last year. >> clinic organizers told ktvu this afternoon 200 students showed up for today's event. >>> bay area police and firefighters today shaved their heads to raise money for children with cancer. the second annual event at the foundation took place at childrens' hospital oakland. officers got shaved as a sign of solidarity with kids currently undergoing chemotherapy. >> when you compare yourself for what the kids are going through it is-had honor, actually, to do something to help make the situation better for the kids. >> oakland police collected an estimated $7500. the funds all go to the hospital's oncology department. >>> what a bump of good guys. >> creative accounting

if you were around, if you admire teddy roosevelt. there's a certain rooseveltian way of being. often you can't put that into words but it's dare greatly or. >> rose: physicality. >> rose: >> and if there's a woody allen... you want to be a funny or neurotic. so there's certain ways of being. i took a class... i didn't take it but i sat in on a class by a guy who became famous later, alan bloom from chicago. i would go periodically because he was such a great character and in the beginning of the term everyone looked like normal students. by the end may wear the same shoes, they smoke the same marlboroughs, he just had this affect and strong personality. >> rose: i've read one observation of your book who compared this to that. >> i didn't quite get that. alan bloom was a super high intellectual. i'm not quite sure i'm like that. but it is a book... >> rose: but i think they were talking about what he wrote. >> yeah, he didn't like rock music. i really like rock music. but i guess one of the things... >> rose: but he clearly had an influence on you. or not? >> well, i think his

. >>> the man accused in a mall fire that caused more than $50 million in damage in roosevelt pled guilty today. he faces two federal counts of arson. investigators say that he set fire at the westfield roseville galloney as well as a wal-mart in october. no one was hurt. in exchange for the guilty plea, he will receive a 10-year sentence. >>> did a botched repair job set off a chain of events that led to the deadly san bruno blast? a repair in milpitas, 40 miles from san bruno, caused pressure to rise on all the lines serving the peninsula less than an hour before september's explosion. that's according to new documents from the national transportation safety board. >> certainly it raises questions about what was going on and how it might possibly have affected what happened in san bruno. >> pg&e says the pipeline pressure never went over the maximum safe operating level. the ntsb is still trying to pinpoint exactly what set off the explosion. >>> first it happened once, then it happened a second time. now the word is going out that someone is trying to poison dogs. just ahead, what you

i said well, the next line in the book says president roosevelt wrote a letter to the japanese and congratulated them on their great victory and that stumped them a little bit. it was 1905. it was the russians. we have a great capacity to think we have all the answers and we have to keep looking for the things that may surprise us. the reason i asked the questionerly general about the supply ships jean taylor was one of our colleagues who was very knowledgeable of these things and i remember one session he was very concerned when how do we resupply the oil when we're out in the sea during battle do we have enough oilers. and i will follow up with this with a question and you can take it off the record. my question being this, if we're in a prolonged engagement in the western pacific, do we have the resources to -- you know, the chairman asked do we have the industrial resources? well, not answering that but do we have the resources -- the capacity whether it'd be ships, airplanes or whatever to get what we need on a continuing basis to where the engagement may be? and whoever, you know, feel fre

for more on biden's visit to moscow we're joined by yuri you're from the moscow based franklin roosevelt foundation i concentrates on the study of u.s. policies good to have you with us so just how keen might the u.s. be to get russia's support for military intervention in libya. well you know from my point of view united states doesn't need the russian support for such an intervention but what is needed is coordination the all countries including russia united states and european countries on the war must be done with what can be done in base kind of situation because situation is developing very rapidly and the situation still is very uncertain that is why certainly in not only just intervention but many other measures could be under discussion. apparently relations between moscow and washington are better than ever speaking to students at moscow state university the vice president remembered enter dressed by a soviet premier to u.s. congressmen let's listen in for just a second. before we begin a discussion. let's agree we do not trust you. and you do not trust us. and we both have go

economies in the twentieth century have been extra kind of the state market economies i mean what would roosevelt's new deal was an attempt to introduce a large state sector into what had been an uncontrolled private sector group which tried to do the reverse to introduce the market into a state economy the chinese did it the hungary and said done it even before going to chart a course it's doable but it's going on around the world you know it was going in reverse direction because what do you think that that's the data that's the difference but on the other hand there's no evidence that it wasn't possible i mean it's a long process and i don't actually agree with jeffrey in the sense that he didn't carry the process through to the end you would have had to have the temperament in the power of stalin to impose full democracy on russia in one thousand eight hundred nine hundred ninety the problem was group which off was the quintessential anti stalinist he had come to dismantle the system and let me remind you of one of the think i admit i don't go to. for twenty years i'm not entirely objective to

strongest proponents of collective bargaining for the private sector, people like franklin delano and roosevelt, never thought there was a place in government where no one is playing with his own money. the representative on the government side is playing with the taxpayers' money. i think that is a legitimate issue. who works for whom here? is the government there to serve the public? tavis: if the debate is about the rights of workers, we could have a whole conversation tonight about government in this country. however government being oftentimes the worst discriminator, the worst offender. let's not talk about civil rights or slavery or woman suffrage -- i mean, i could do this all night, giving examples where government has been the discriminator in chief. why not access to collective bargaining? just because they work for government? >> there was a time when in the old days of of patronage and so forth when government workers were put upon and vulnerable, but that is a long time ago. now in 41 states out of 50, they are better paid than the taxpayers to support them. in the federal governm