interviewed his youngest son -- his second youngest son archie shortly before he died and also alhis roosevelt longworth when she was pretty ancient, and descendents, grandchildren, great grandchildren, who had to a certain extent been helpful. i guess the most -- the most useful was archibald roosevelt jr. who was quite a fixture here in washington in the 1980s and '90s because of all the roosevelt descendants he was the one with the best mind. he spoke 16 or 17 languages and his intellect was enormous, very much like his grandfather. and when i published my first book about t.r., archie called me up and he said, i've read your book, edmund, and i'm staggered by the number of mannerism that you describe that i thought were my own mannerisms, turned out to have been my grandfather's. >> back when we talked in '99, we talked about -- you mentioned the people who were alive and the family and friends, but we talked about nancy reagan, and this is cut seven on our list here. i want to run that and get your reaction to what you said back then. >> she has always been throughout her life very insecure, very s