>> i am just saying what this court said in roper v. simmons. even trained experts cannot tell if the criminal conduct is a result of the person's character or a result of their youth. everyone knows that. if you ever had a teenager and you asked them, what were you thinking? you would know. you can't tell. it is this part of their character or is it something they have done? >> can you tell with your client, given how many times he has offended how his offenses have escalated? >> i don't think that is right. first of all, the armed burglary, it was his first offense. he was never charged of a crime or convicted. he had no prior criminal history. he was sentenced for three years for armed burglary. the average sentence in florida for this is five years. he then violated his probation. the judge found that he violated his probation on an armed invasion but his older codefendants in that case, one of whom had a more substantial record, only got 30 years. >> if he had gone 30 years, with that have been all right? >> i think if he had gone 30 years,