. >> rose: we conclude with a look inside the navy seals with lieutenant commander rorke denver. his book is called "dam few: making the modern seal warrior." i think people want to be part of something bigger than themselves. i think they want to come neat a program that has a historic attrition rate of 80%. those types of odds, that sounds like the right odds to me. >> rose: so like two out every ten make it or two out of three. >> right. so it's just one of those elite brotherhoods and you feel like you get to participate and spend time with a very, very special group of folks and then focus on doing the nation's work at an intense level. >> rose: david remnick and rorke denver when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we know that the intelligence services of other countries-- including some who feigned surprise over the snowden disclosures-- are constantly probing our government and private sect ornett works and accelerating pacts to listen to our

. >> lieutenant commander rorke denver is here. he spent 14 years as a u.s. navy seal.e served as director of the seal training program. in 2012, he starred in an action film called "act of valor." it featured active-duty navy seals. he has a book that takes us further insight that world. the book is called "damn few." i am please to happen at this table. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about what it means. you take young man, all men. >> all men, currently. >> that might change. >> it might. >> they come, why do they come? why do they want to be a seal? >> i think there is a mix. people seek the program and the brotherhood. for some different reasons. people want to be part of something bigger than themselves. they want to compete in a program that has a historic attrition rate of 70% to 80%. that sounds like the right odds to me. i want to work -- >> two out of every 10 make it. >> it is one of the elite brotherhoods. you get to participate and spend time with a very special group of folks. and focus on doing the nation's work. that draws a certain