. >> my name is ros lasker. you know, this is a wonderful presentation. thank you. and this is a country where everything is defined according to "we, the people." and, of course, everything is how we define who a people is. i think that there's a difference, though, in thinking about who is black, more black, blackest, and in thinking about who is white, less white, least white and not white. many people who have been in this country originally, or who have come here as immigrants, very different than african-americans who did not come here on their own, have been considered not to be white. even people here who are women were not considered to be people. >> and the question? >> yeah. and -- no, the question is, as we start looking at this issue in today's world, where white people are becoming a minority in this country, is there a difference in how we actually approach it in terms of how we change what's going on in this country? whether we consider who is not white or who is black? >> that's a very interesting question. and i think that one of the lessons that i