>> guest: well, rosalie and i first went in 1961. i was then part of the kennedy administration and very young, and we were on our way to the near east. i was doing a magazine about the arab world for the u.s. information agency. and our first time there were no jets as yet, so we flew over on a prop plane, took forever. we landed at night. it was february, it was cold and rainy, and it didn't matter in the slightest to us. we were in paris, and we walked for hours that night just so thrilled to be there. and we've been going back fairly off ever since. i would -- i've never counted up the times that we've been to paris, probably 20 times, maybe more. but i've also done research there before because part of the john adams book took place in paris, as you know, and the jefferson/adams/franklin time in paris, a very important part of the american story. but i also was there to do work on my book about the panama canal because so much of that research material on the french attempt to build the canal is there. and then i went back to fr

rosalie and i went to paris. i went there to walk the walk. i went there to see it in the winter when it's awful and damp and cold and gray. in the summer, the spring and the fall. i read something that took saint-gaudens 20 minutes to walk from his apartment to his studio. i went over and made the walk from his apartment to the studio to see if that was right. i want to be out the way emma willard and others were and feel what they felt. c-span: that's a bridge. >> guest: yes, a bridge over the harbor harbor over the continent. it's the oldest bridge in paris. 17th century. i think listening, smelling, feeling with the chair feels like, rubbing your hands on the surface of the cathedral sculpture on the exterior. all of that is part of getting closer to it. i'm always trying to get closer to those people, closer to that place and closer to that time. and asking questions. i spend a lot of time with students lecturing or visiting locations at universities and colleges. they are so programmed, so responsible for being able to answer questions t

want to be a mogul absolutely that's what we do and that you have are heroes quincy jones went to rosalie c. jones jay z. birdman. puff daddy is a few out there your worst album was called suffering from success yeah did you suffer from so yeah so i mean i learned a lot through that process you know. nobody really told me clearly when you make you don't you know calm the noncom that people were actually trying to you know knock it down yeah like i've been to that but like this on another level though you know saying and at the same time is you know dealing with actually more stress with success you know saying so chorus suffer for success and then you know realize that myself like man you know they talk about you when you ain't got nothing they talk about you when you do got some so you know when i figured that out i said you know what they suffer from success it's harder staying there than getting there oh yeah getting is more fun yeah i always say root for you and then when you get there it's like a make it harder for you part of the public perceive you you think oh my. i think they loo

the yellow rose of texas," and sang, supposedly, you may talk about your dearest maid and sing of rosalie, but the gallant hood of texas played hell in tennessee. i thought, i wonder what the source is for that? supposedly, all these people are singing this song. as it turns out, most of the wiley's famous book, "the life of johnny reb." bell wiley does not source it. i felt silly going over the words to a "yellow rose of texas" song, but i searched and searched. it was in 1904. one confederate soldier said that he heard one of his fellow soldiers say this as hood road by. -- rode by. and it shows up everywhere now. and they add onto it and add on was oneo where there fellow who wrote about here to years ago, on the texas brigade of the army of tennessee, and it the, as the troops, as brigade was marching across the pontoons across the tennessee river, deccan to alabama, they all sang this song. they keep building on this stuff and building on this stuff. and it changes the perception drastically. so here it is. that's the -- that's where i found it. and itactually in 1906, was one soldie