not to this extent but when the reagans won for instance, rosalind carter was very unhappy about their victory and jimmy carter had worked very hard to free the iran hostages and reagan came in and hostages released when he was sworn in. it was a frosty ride to capitol hill between nancy reagan and rosalind carter and i can imagine between michelle obama and melania trump. to be a fly on the wall. it's about the peaceful transition of power and melania trump never been married to elected official before so probably michelle obama feels like owes her an explanation about how this works. it was hard for michelle obama when she moved into the white house too. i think there s a sense of camaraderie among the first ladies. they're the only ones who know what it's like to be in the position. differences obviously. >> there's always scrutiny on the people in the oval but so much on michelle obama. she wore sleeveless dresses or shirts and got criticism for it. the things that happen now, it's just really unbelievable. there is so much raw emotion in the country after this really bruising elec

over the objections of rosalind carter, and just said i am going to do what i think is right, not that he was never political. she won't do that but it may make her a less historically important president. you have to be willing to take the risks of political failure if you want some lasting accomplishments. >> you don't think she will do that be change [applause] >> early in the obama presidency there was a piece saying he should do the gutsy thing and get out of iraq immediately and that makes him a one term president, so be it, he didn't do it and hillary clinton is twice as pragmatic in that regard as barack obama so i don't see that happening. >> looking forward and assuming for a moment that hillary clinton wins she will be facing a media landscape that is much more polarized and constant than her husband faced and coming out of eight years that have been scandal free. when biographies and histories are written, benghazi and solyndra will be footnotes. given this landscape, there will be some major scandal that occurs, what is the likelihood, like bill's ability to recover, such