rosalind chin, bloomberg, china. father of the ipod, more from "bloomberg west," next. ♪ emily: steve was not the only person i spoke with about driverless cars this year. i also spoke to the nest ceo. >> i think you will see some dramatic changes the way we think about these cars and the accessibility in terms of the price points. we are 7-10 years away from a massive switchover. if you think about a car, a car has batteries, a computer, and mechanical structure. if you look at an iphone, it has the same things, even has a motor in it. the hard stuff is connectivity and how cars could be self-driving. when you look at google's self-driving program or the alleged apple thing, it is looking at it through the lens of software first. emily: did you talk to steve about the car? what did you talk about? >> we had a couple of walks. this was in 2008. what would we build? we were just crazy, what would a dashboard be? what would seats be? how would you power it? we are so busy, so constrained. it would be great to do it, bu