she didn't just kill rosalyn hunt. she tortured her and found violence funny.ads of these people. are we too soft? i mean, starmer wanted 16 year olds to vote. didn't he. >> want to see 16 and i7 didn't he. >> want to see 16 and 17 year olds voting? they can go out and work. they can serve in our armed forces. and of course, if they are out and working, they pay they are out and working, they pay tax and therefore they should have a say over how the money they are paying in is being used. so yes, i want to see that vote for 16 and i7 being used. so yes, i want to see that vote for 16 and 17 year olds. >> so why shouldn't 15 or 16 or 17 year olds face a full life order for the very worst crimes? let's go to my panel this evening. we are, of course, joined by the director for the centre for migration and economic prosperity, stephen wolf. we've got political consultant suzanne evans and broadcaster and columnist jj rspb. good evening, everyone. thank you for joining rspb. good evening, everyone. thank you forjoining us. thank you for joining us. stephen. i'll sta