we understand he prefers the rose garden because he feels the lighting is better in the rose garden he gave that to he said we love you but go home but then put it promptly put a warning label on it this claim of election fraud is disputed in this tweet colby replied to read tweeted or liked due to a risk of violence or his message that was all started simply to calm things down was deemed too dangerous for twitter and can't be read tweeted because of the risk of violence this is the reality that we are now experiencing indeed very interesting she had thank you very much for bringing us the latest there from washington d.c. . to now speak to p.j. crowley he is with us has been with us southwest's a few minutes now former white house deputy press secretary and state department spokesperson thank you so much for being with us and thank you for your patience as we deal with this breaking news situation we're hearing that police arrested him to clear protesters off of the steps of the u.s. capitol building some unprecedented images chaos in the united states today that the entire world

criticized for her recent renovation of jackie kennedy's famous rose garden. >> the rose garden put somechanges to. >> good for melania, who needs roses when a virus is destroying everyone's sense of smell anyway. besides if there is one thing a super model know sts the importance of removing unpleasant shubbery. and at no point was melania's flair for design no apparent than during the holiday season. when every christmas she chose a fun holiday theme like ho-ho horror movie and the grinch who murdered christmas. although never leaving the spirit of the season. >> who gives a [bleep] about christmas. >> yes, thanks to melania, america is saying who gives a [bleep] about christmas again. >> but perhaps melania's greatest legacy as first lady was her celebration of all god's children whose parents could prove they were citizens. >> this is a picture of melania trump boarding air force one to head down to texas to visit some of the children being held in detention centers, she is wearing a green jacket, on the back is written in white i really don't care, do you? wow, only melania could pu

trump is going to update the rose garden. i think that mrs. kennedy and mr.candy would be pleased that it's is can's continuing to be used as a state for presidents. >> our next question is from one of our national council members. to believe at the end of mrs. kennedy's life, she looked back as being has her own life being a happy one? >> oh how can we judge, the views that people have of themselves in their lives, but i will tell you that she wrote a very personal note to her and the president's friend, bill walton, the artist, and she said during her white house time, i really dreaded coming to the white house, for fear of loss of privacy, and the impact on her two young children, and they are the only president and first lady, to have a baby between the election and inauguration. they come to the white house and the children do not come immediately. three year old caroline, an infant john junior. she was worried what would be the impact of living in this football? she wrote to bill walton about halfway through her time and she said it's the happiest time

trump, is going to update the rose garden. so i think mrs.nnedy and president kennedy would be pleased that it's continuing to be used as a stage and a venue for presidents. >> our next question is from one of our national council members. do you believe at the end of mrs. kennedy's life that she looked back and looked at her own life as being a happy one? >> oh, how can we judge the views that people have of themselves and their lives. but i will tell you that she wrote a very personal note to her and her -- the president's friend, bill walton, the artist. and she said during her white house time, she said i really dreaded coming to the white house for fear of loss of privacy, what would be the impact on her two young children. they're the only president and first lady to have a baby between the election and the inauguration so they come to the white house. 3-year-old caroline and infant john jr. she was really worried what would be the impact of living in this fish bowl? and she wrote to bill walton about halfway through her time in the whi

i'm looking at the white house rose garden on our screen.he area where you see some people walking right now. in 1962 jacqueline kennedy got her friend to advise her on how to turn the white house rose garden into something lush that looked like something that you might find in a place in virginia or maryland and there were crab apple trees and there were beautiful flowers. and it was lush. you couldn't see the colenade we see now with six pillars that have a look of eastern europe without some softening vegetation. and the result was that the kennedys transformed the white house rose garden into something that has given every single family that's occupied the white house up until the trumps great pleasure. there were ceremonies held there. richard nixon strolled there in his last days in august of 1974 before resigning. he had his daughter, trisha, had her wedding there because it was so beautiful. in preparation for the republican convention last summer, the trumps, i can only use the word, eviscerated -- the trees were removed. the vegeta

without change and one expert i spoke with in fact the woman who negotiated this treaty for the us a rose garden miller says the verification issues are quite strong and there have not been complaints among our arms control experts about russia fiddling around the edges of this treaty they're quite pleased with how compliance has gone and there wasn't a need for an extension in the use of many arms control experts it can be renegotiated now during the next 5 years and really show when in moscow president putin enjoyed a suspiciously warm relationship with donald trump how does he view president biden . well i think russian officials here in moscow certainly have no illusions and not very high expectations high hopes about how the u.s. russia relations will develop under the biden administration and in a way that sense of things was kind of confirmed yesterday in the phone call between putin and biden when biden brought up hacking he brought up the poisoning of opposition politicians in the making it clear that he would be kind of much tougher for including on human rights issues but the kremlin

the rose garden is not good enough for you?be your biggest fan ♪ ♪ oh, ah-oh >>> the most interesting part of my job was that i saw him and all these different compartments of his life, i saw him as a dad. i saw how he behaved with his children. i watched his family grow up, essentially. i think sasha and malia the did such a great job under the lime light, it's a testament to michelle and marianne robinson who you see here on the right, michelle's mom helped out, especially when michelle went on solo trips overseas. this is him singing happy birthday to michelle. we were on a boat ride in the golf coast and i saw michelle stroking his hand and at the second inauguration, just before they boarded the motorcade, i approached him and i said, do you mind if i ride had in the limousine with you for part of the parade route and he looked me in the eye and he said, michelle and i were planning to make out. and he started laughing and he was like, of course you can. and he will tell you that the best day at the white house was the day

conferred with the president in a lengthy exchange of views during a stroll through this white house rose gardenrmer president truman and his family visited with the kennedy's. and a group from another new africa nation, nigeria. japan's premier and his wife met the president. the president of the congo republic, the former french congo, came to call. at a reception for puerto rican governor, the president and mrs. kennedy both actively interested in the arts invited the cellist to play for them at the white house. the american poet carl sanburg visited. in late november, kennedy furthered his program for full exchange of views with all world peoples. he gave an interview to editor of the soviet newspaper. for the first time the people of the soviet union could read the news of an american leader in full. despite the pressures of official duty, the president was able to enjoy the pleasures of family life. his two small children became favorites of the cameramen. caroline had her fourth birthday in late november and baby brother john had his first a few days earlier. here's caroline as she tried

india conferred with the president in a stroll through the white house rose garden.r president truman and his family visited with the kennedys. and a group from another new african nation, nigeria. japan's premier and his wife with dean rusk met the president. ♪ ♪ ♪ president you low off the congo republic, the former french congo, at a reception for puerto rican governor, the president and mrs. kennedy both actively interested in the arts invited the run and cellist to play for them at the white house. ♪ ♪ ♪ the american poet, carl sanford visited. at the port in late november, kennedy came into a interview, he gave an interview to the editor of the soviet newspaper, for the first time, the people of the soviet union could read the news of a american leader in full. despite the pressures of official duties, the president was able to enjoy the pleasures of family life. his two small children became favorites of the cameramen. calibra -- caroline had her fourth birthday in late november and baby brother john had his first a few days earlier. here's caroline as she tri

cements a c conservative majority on the supreme court after a nearly maskless nomination in the rose gardenwe had a superspreader event in the white house >> reporter: with the white house as the prize, voters turn out in record numbers. undeterred by a pandemic, court cases, or even disappearing mailboxes. and after four agonizing and meticulous days of counting. >> we have announcement to make. joe biden is president-elect of the united states. >> reporter: democrats celebrate a 7-million vote win and a glass ceiling being broken. >> the people have the power to build a better future. >> they delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. >> but they cheated and they rigged our presidential election but we will still win it >> reporter: a win unaltered by constant denials, bizarre press conferences, and losing lawsuits then, one more undeniable victory delivered by science a vaccine that will shape 2021, along with a new president, a diverse cabinet, and the answer to the tantalizing question still out there. georgia, who will control the senate as the year that often seemed unending

will be out on the rose garden where the president is going to appear for the national day or prayer he may or may not take questions he's not going to take a question now but will show up because it might be our only chance to see the president today to get a question to ask. ladies and gentlemen the president of the united states this is true. people are so proud to be using that beautiful word game. and hiding from me they're not. going to run for questions in this thread and it's pretty cheaply done that way. to the mall. she. says she would is this white house in historical perspective that white house is very different and it's because the president is very different and i think we are in a very divisive time period and he got elected as a sharp partisan captured. it wasn't that he created it greta just think the president is not that big sperry as a government official and so business experience and the level of information that you have to provide is a lot less than it is once you get into government asking the question if you want to push was governor before he came. here ob

little did he know, -- the rose garden, and he was there with the american legions boys nation, form. and he had this opportunity, of course, that becomes a very famous photograph that clinton uses when he himself runs not only for governor of arkansas, but also for presidents of the united states. above that picture, taken in 1960 tune, by a friend of mine. bill bibi. he was a photographer at that time, working for the los angeles times. kennedy would spend a lot of time with his brother in law, and his sister in malibu california. just outside of l.a.. and, every once in a while, unannounced, jfk would run out into the serve to get a little bit of that warm california water. and little by little, the public would realize the president is out there. and bill b be rushed around, and waited with a suit and tie, kicked off his shoes, and went out in the surf and made this memorable picture in august of 1962. the president surrounded by the crowd of supporters, out there on malibu beach. the picture was nominate for pulitzer prize. it ran front page i think in every -- in the world. of c

when i announced that i would not run in 2015 at the time, i said i only had one regret in the rose gardennd if i had any regrets that i had won, that i wouldn't get to be the president to preside over cancer as we know it. well, as god willing, and on the 20th of this month in a couple of days as president i'm going to do everything i can to get that done. i'm going to -- going to be a priority for me and for kamala and it's a signature issue for jill as first lady. we know the science is discovery and not fiction. and it's also about hope. and that's america. it's in the d.n.a. of this country, hope. we're on the cusp of some of the most remarkable breakthroughs that will fundamentally change the way of life for all life on this planet. we can make more progress in the next 10 years, i predict, than we've made in the last 50 years. and exponential movement. we can also face some of the most dire crises in a generation where science is critical to whether or not we meet the moment of peril and promise that we know is within our reach. in 1944, franklin roosevelt asked his science advisor

here he is meeting the president of the united states in the rose garden.was there with the american legion boy's nation forum and he had this opportunity. of course that becomes a very, very famous photograph that clinton uses when he himself runs not only for governor of arkansas but also for president of the united states. above it is a picture taken in 1962 by a friend of mine, bill bee bee. he was a photographer at that time working for the los angeles times and kennedy would spend a lot of time with his brother-in-law and his sister in malibu, california, just outside of l.a. and every once in a while, unannounced, jfk would run out into the surf to get a little bit of that warm california water. and little by little the public would realize that the president is out there and bill rushed around and waited with a suit and tie, kicked off his shoes, and went out in the surf and made this memorable picture in august of 1962 of the president surrounded by a crowd of supporters out there on malibu beach. the picture was nominated for a pulitzer prize, ran

and it was a tent out in the yard, it was in the rose garden, if i'm not mistaken. it was a lovely, lovely dinner. when dad danced with the queen, the marine band, i think it was the marine band, they played a song which turned out to be "muskrat love." that was not a terribly appropriate song. my mother was standing on the sidelines like, oh my god, i'm so embarrassed. ann: popular song but not the right place. your mother, how did she -- she had to take care of the spouse usually of the visitor. did she have to do, a brush up on policy, how did she handle that? susan: you know, she didn't. i think she always tried to talk to the visitors, either the husband or the wife or whatever, all depending what the situation was, because they were normally parents and they had children. when i met queen elizabeth upstairs before the state dinner, we talked about family and her sons and that sort of thing. it was a very natural discussion. it was not about policy or that sort of thing. my brother jack was looking for studs. he came down with his shirt open. he was looking for

. >> yes, and it was a tent out in the yard and actually, i think it was in the rose garden, if i'm notistaken. i mean, it was a lovely, lovely dinner and when dad danced with the queen, the marine band played a song and it turned out to be musk rat love which was not a terribly appropriate song and my mother was standing in the sidelines oh, my god, i'm so embarrassed. >> popular song, but not the right place. your mother, she had to take care of -- usually the spouse of the visitor. did she have to brush up on policy or how did she handle that? >> you know, she didn't. she always tried to talk to the visitors and either the husband or the wife or whatever all depending what the situation was because they had parents and they had children and when i met queen elizabeth upstairs before the state dinner and we talked about family and sons and it was a very natural discussion and it was not about policy and that sort of thing and my brother jack was looking for studs and he came down with a shirt open, and he was looking for studs, and there was the queen and prince philip and my mother w

last spring i spoke out on the rose garden and said we should get our bibles and reach out to and spende with our families, we were attacked them, we are used to this. this time it's different, this time about 17 days ago when someone put out on the internet actual machine -- new machine election fraud, i retweeted it and they took my twitter down. when they took it down -- this is interesting. they didn't take it down all the way, i just couldn't do anything that they were running my twitter like they were me. my friends are going you're not tweeting very much and when you do -- i said i'm not doing that, i tried to take it down and i got a thing from germany saying these are twitter rules and you cannot do this, take anything down. they ran my twitter for about 14 days, 15 days, then yesterday they put it back up so i could run it and i made one tweet in the tweet was a good letter written by one of my employees because i'm getting attacked about my integrity and they took it down 5 minutes later. then a week ago, dominion went on tv and said they were going to go after mike lindell,

four years ago he stood at the rose garden soon after taking office. he announced he was withdrawing the united states from the paris climate agreement. nearly 200 nations are part of it, but mr. trump said it would cost jobs in the u.s. and the coal industry and went against his america first policy. it just wasn't worth the $3 billion price tag. within hours of being sworn in, president biden signed an executive order putting us back into the accord. i spoke today with the consul general of france in san francisco. he says his country is relieved to have the u.s. back on board and says it gets the world back on track. >> we have no plan b, we have no plan c, so we need to be able to take the necessary measures and have necessary courage to make the shift to a greener energy. it will take some changes in daily lives. we will need to switch, you know, to different cars. our power plants will need to function differently. but again, these are major avenues also to create growth and new jobs, so it will take adaptation shift and a little bit of effort, b

of a republican senate cements majority on supreme court after nearly maskless nomination in the rose gardend a superspreader event in the white house. >> reporter: with the white house as the prize voters turn out undeterred by a pandemic, court cases or disappearing mailboxes and after four agonizing days of counting -- >> -- we have an announcement to make. joe biden is the president-elect of the united states. >> reporter: democrats celebrate a 7-million vote win and a glass ceiling being broken. >> the people have the power to build a better future. >> they delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. >> they cheated and they rigged our presidential election. but we will still win it. >> reporter: a win unaltered by constant denials, bizarre press conferences and losing lawsuits. then one more undeniable victory delivered by science, a vaccine that will shape 2021 along with a new president, diverse cabinet and answer to the tantalizing question still out there, georgia who will control the senate as a year often seems unending comes to a close. >> msnbc chris jansenen reporting

cements a conservative majority on the supreme court after a nearly maskless nomination in the rose garden themselves. we had a superspreader event in the white house. >> reporter: with the white house as the prize, voters turnout in record numbers, undeterred by a pandemic, court cases or disappearing mailboxes. after nearly four agonizing days of counting. >> joe biden is president-elect of the united states. >> reporter: democrats celebrate a seven million vote win and a glass ceiling being broken. >> the people have the power to build a better future. >> they delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. >> but they cheated and they rigged our presidential election. but we will still win it. >> reporter: a win unaltered by bizarre press conferences and losing lawsuits. then one more undeniable victory delivered by science. a vaccine that will shape 2021, along with a new president, aa y diverse president and, georgia, who will control the senate as the year that often seemed unending comes to a close. >> that was msnbc's chris jansing reporting on a wild 2020. but what about 2021

in the rose garden, to swallow and live with.rillion stimulus bill. right now you don't have the 60 votes. do you want them? start by pledging not to cut defense. you want 454 states, you don't get a dollar unless they open up responsibly almost like how about that some of that is called making deals. you want to lower the temperature in our nation? find the other side appeared here to respond, karl rove, kate pavlik, fox news contributor and wonderful people, take my word for it, katie, am i dreaming? can this happen? >> well, brian, if you were a u.s. senator maybe you could bring both sides to the table and have this conversation with them. maybe you could get somewhere. but the truth is, we are in a very divided position when it comes to these issues in the country where people stand. i think that joe biden will have a hard time getting this agenda given the senate is split 50/50. they are working on the rules and we see the new majority leader chuck schumer, working with mitch mcconnell to give republicans a number of seats

it was my first state dinner out in the rose garden. it was gorgeous, but i could not relax for any of it because you know that anything that goes wrong is what makes the story. the gatecrasher's certainly did put the fear in the white house that lasted the entire administration of mistakes happening. unfortunately, the people that really suffer are guest now because it is such a process. you have to show your id multiple times. it is really awful. it is a shame. they got in -- it was the first state dinner. they were dressed as if they belonged, and it was evidently storming that night. the secret service did not have them on the list, but they were convincing, and they got through. it was really the bad actions of them trying to get attention or getting attention really affected a lot of lives. >> [inaudible] l.a., miami, etc., there was a production company started to -- trying to start a "real housewives of d.c." at the time, and the couple wanted to get on the show. their plan was to get inside, get some photos and leave before the

after they failed to overturn the aca in congress, trump had this faux victory celebration in the rose gardenven trying to do that now, and i think that's because he recognizes how clear cut the defeat is. and i think the danger is how does he continue to respond to that? >> as i mentioned, the president purportedly doesn't like his wife's renovations right now at mar-a-lago. what do you thinkpost-white house life will look like here? >> donald trump is an attention addict. he's a media addict. he really, for as much as he criticizes the media and prominent media organizations, including cnn, he thrives on the attention of those organizations because, you know, in the recesses of his mind, he actually cares very deeply about how -- how media personalities and anchors and reporters all assess him, and he is going to have a very hard time adjusting to being out of the most powerful limelight an individual can occupy, the oval office. i do think he's going to attempt to start a media company either by acquiring an existing company or financing a start-up. i think he's going to have a very hard t

different message tonight from the president than what we heard yesterday when he came out to the rose gardenf what he said there -- we had an election that was stolen from us, and landslide election and everyone knows, but you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, your thoughts. >> too little, too late. he said he exhausted every appeal to overturn the election after weeks of pedaling a bunch of nonsense theories including saturday when he told the secretary of state of georgia that 50,000 jordans had shown up at the polls and were turned away, that's one out of every 20 voters that appeared on election day. he said we needed to have tempers cooled of the day after he gave an hour and 20 minute long speech inciting tens of thousands of people to march to the capital and show strength, don't show weakness. he talked about reconciliation a day after he threatened his own vice president unless he did an unconstitutional act. he said we are going to have a smooth transition 13 days before the next president takes office and nearly two months after the electio

you saw him throwing a superspreader event in the rose garden.wearing a mask. he questioned the efficacy of masks that we saw work. he did everything that american people didn't want him to do. and you see that now, handling the virus. and people are saying, i don't need to wear a mask. or getting in fights in stores. >> during the election, trump spread false claims of voter fraud. saying voter fraud is not a conspiracy theory. it's a fact. what is the impact from statements like this? >> we heard heidi talking earlier, how many people believe this election was stolen. this election went smoothly for a pandemic election. voting rights experts were not sure it would go this well. it went well, thanks to the hard work of american volunteers an election officials. they are going in and promising legislation, to stop the voter fraud that does exist. and it really didn't happen. do you have laws that will likely make it harder to vote? particularly for groups like students, younger people, poorer people and voters of color. and the fraud didn't exist

literal actually front row seat at briefings with sean sanders, sara, as the pool, in the cabinet or rose gardennapping pictures in asia or south america i witnessed four years defined by chaos, partly because that's how donald trump liked it. letting his gut be his guide. de find by controversy, shorthand keyword, charlottesville, russia, taxes, zelensky, cages, covid, and all of that was before january 6th, before the ri yts he incited at the capitol, before his second impeachment, something i never thought i would see after covering his first. historians and scholars will write about how these past four years will affect the trajectory of the next four and four after that and so on. and it's the reporters, those of us in the press corps who covered it day in and day out have been able to scribble down that first draft "nightly news" or the "today" show or here on msnbc with you. it's a privilege and it has been a test like none other in an administration that's attacked the free press. i've been yelled at publicly, yelled at privately in what's been a long four years but the work does not sto

pete died and we were allowed to give the bird a dignified burial in the rose garden. my siblings and i put a little, pete, rest in peace. but they took it down to mow the lawn. karl: you gotta wonder, roosevelt is the first guy to have the west wing, also had a gigantic collection of animals. he and his children had an a norma's collection. you have to wonder how many of them, we know several died during the days in the white house. you have to wonder about the burial locations of all the presidents'favorite pets. we ought to have an archaeologist go over the grounds. susan: the problem is you cannot go back and visit their gravesites. karl: except dave. dr. cheney: davis buried at the vice president's residence and we know where the site is and if we are ever invited back we will go visit dear dave. susan: does he have a little headstone? dr. cheney: no we thought that , was a little too showy. karl: he has one in our hearts. apropos, one of the interesting things was how important both the vice president's residence and the white house are to the political and polic

it's not like it's perfect, but we never promised you a rose garden in logistics.lly hard to do. it is going to get fixed on the local and operational level and then the strategic challenges will be addressed by the biden administration. that editorial did not tell the readers that the vaccine, if frozen, lasts at a minimum of six months. so you don't want people to believe that if they don't get in line now, they are completely out of the loop. the media, commentators need to build confidence in the vaccine itself because we are bumping up against a lot of vaccine hesitancy. so that bawas my take on that editorial. i think that we will start to see, as i said, some of these logistic challenges addressed. we are going to have a surge issue which is going to have to be addressed by new administration. as for donald trump, why did we believe him on the 20 million? i am not forgiving it, but no one thought that you would deliver 20 million in december given that the first approval was right before the holidays. but i think we will start to see better numbers relativel

this is going on at san jose's beloved municipal rose garden.s to prune the bushes for spring budding. of course, nothing is quite the same this year. instead of one large event, the pruning is being done in small groups. >> this garden has been taken care of by volunteers in partnership with the city for 13 years. we have smaller groups of people. we've been doing it over the past couple of weekends. but we had 4,000 roses that needed to be pruned. >> volunteers can sign up on the city's website. tools and training are provided. so as we turn to the weather, whether you want to help prune, spencer, or eat prune, whatever it is, it's going to be beautiful. >> you're right about that, larry. great pruning weather. great all kinds of outdoor weather, or just looking out the window. my caution, though, as we celebrate all this lovely weather coming our way, there is a high wind watch that will be in effect from sunday evening to monday evening because of the potential for strong damaging winds with gusts up to 50, 55 miles per hour in the higher el

instead, you saw the president throwing superspreader events in the rose garden.blic health experts said was the worst-case scenario from their perspective. and when it comes to claims like pre-existing health conditions, these were all issues about policy. the president was claiming that republicans were in support of people with pre-existing health conditions, while suing his administration -- his administration was supporting a lawsuit to end those protections. so fundamentally, we saw over and over again false claims driving policy on these issues that i wrote about in my article, despite the president having the best information in the world, at least access to it. >> jane, it would be very easy to look at this and think that we were talking about the past, and yet you a very good job of contextualizing for us that what is really at risk here is the american presidency itself. you have a great quote from presidential historian michael beschloss, who says, when a president breaks that bond of trust with the american people, it makes it harder for future presid

and that's when he came out in the rose garden. >> mr. ask about this current case in florida, very controversial allegations of lingering racism within our society. can you comment on the trayvon martin case, sir? >> well, i'm the head of the executive branch. and the attorney general reports to me. so i've got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we're not impairing any investigation that's taking place right now. but obviously, this is a tragedy. >> that was one of many moments where he didn't sit down with his communications team and have a lengthy discussion about the strategic right thing to say. >> my main message is to the parents of trayvon martin. if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. >> he felt in the moment it was true and it was important to say out loud. >> obama made an active radical identification with him. i understand who that young kid is. >> thank you. >> he was speaking for hundreds and thousands of fathers. he was sharing their pain, their hurt. and i think many young people are appreciative tha

we have seen outdoor rose garden events turn into superspreaders. >> uh-huh.s for having me, stephanie. look, i think that if you look at the model that president-elect biden has followed throughout the pandemic taking very careful precautions to protect people, not just himself but to protect the people that he's interacting with, that's the type of precautions that you can expect on inauguration day. we're working very closely with the inaugural committee on the hill, senator klobuchar has been doing a remarkable job and we feel pretty comfortable with the advice that we're getting from health officials that we're working very closely with as well as our partnership with congressional officials in making sure we're doing this right. >> well, what president-elect biden did during the campaign was for the most part not do large events and he did most things virtually. with so many security concerns why is it so important to do this swearing in ceremony in person and not just do it virtually. >> well, i think he did plenty of events that had appropriate social