the justice department is suing a roseanna -- arizona and alabama on this issue which is becoming a defining issue. in this one repair rate sounds like a humanitarian. >> -- in this one, rick perry sounds like a humanitarian. >> he says if you oppose something like institution for children of undocumented aliens and then you do not have a heart. he caught a lot of flak any step back a little bit. actually, he was right in expressing it that way. the fact is, the republican party, if you look at the nominees or the candidates for the provincial nomination, they all disagree with rick perry. they all sort of support the flavor of that immigration law in alabama. i think this does tell us a whole lot about this republican field that we are looking at. >> perry said on cnbc this week it was in the best interest of the state of texas to have the young people educative rather than kicked to the curb. then how can you argue with that? >> people do. >> they do argue with it. because they are children of undocumented -- >> but his argument is, you have to solve its state-by-state because there is no