he was loyal to rosecrans. he dubbed the way rosecrans was cast aside and grant coming in was disgraceful. when grant arrived, leg wounded, cold, he comes into the headquarters and because he is temporarily in command and he is -- and thomas is kind of abrupt. he does not say general you need a blanket. none of that. right away there was a tension that emerged between the two of them. instead of a cooperation emerging between grant and thomas, grant relies on sherman, whom he trusted. who was repairing the railroad and nevertheless on his way. thomas is still there to grapple put his faith in german to break out of this -- sherman to break out of this trap. they are still inside the city. confederates are still on the high ground. grant is determined we will break out of this and i will use sherman to do it. >> both of you are describing two generals at odds. it is an interesting thing to think through as run through this long and very complicated story. it is not an easy one. that's one of the reasons we have

>> that lincoln disliked rosecrans? >> no, grant disliked him. >> he does not think rosecrans did a particularly good job at the battle of iq g -- iuka in mississippi. that he did not do what he ought to have done. sherman disliked rosecrans enormously. there it was because rosecrans had been in california with sherman and use it as it sherman. when mrs. sherman was there. rosecrans was more catholic than the pope. and so was alan sherman. they did a lot of talking about catholicism, theology, and all the rest. intro sherman nats. s. it drove sherman nut [laughter] >> a very fast answer for this one. >> i have an interesting anecdote. my husband is from chattanooga. he grew up on missionary ridge. >> one of those houses? >> he lived about 100 yards from the big house with the candidate in front -- cannon in front. he told me as a boy he thought everybody had civil war cannons in their front yard. >> that's good. >> he has also taken me up to view.int, that lovely it is really pretty amazing. i thought i would share that