roseman? >> the gentleman's time is expired. would you believe answer. >> i believe i testified i met with him ten times or so for the last five years. i didn't comment on the number. i think i stated that i believe refer to text messages that we turned over versus telephone -- mr. chairman. >> briefly. >> phone, text, and meetings. three different -- >> dually noted. >> i don't know the number of phone calls. the text message i'm aware of i met with committee staffers last week or so and we went over them. the ones we provided. i don't recall what the conversation was about on june 7th. >> mr. castillo, i know you said there wasn't a friendship. i believe you have releet peteedly said there was. you haven't been -- you have been on the opposite side of that. the texts are not unexpected in that you said you have a long relationship with mr. roseman. >> i worked in support of the irs for about fifteen years or so. the last ten years, i mean, since -- >> since 2003 he's been what you would char

roseman? my question is before the committee contacted you on a matter of this relationship where you or any others aware and notified something was going on? >> no, sir. just in the last few days something is going wrong. it is gained by this player. >> it is a pretty fundamental principle that we have certified. >> you agreed it appears that you also gained the veterans administration. we want them to have some special preference and standing. the disability was prep school, was their anything on the active military service where you sustained disability or injury? >> the injury that i sustained was during my time at the prep school. >> that is my question. did you sustained an injury or were you disabled during that time? >> and active military service, were you in a combat or at an entry -- >> it was during -- it sounds like you gamed the system, would you agree? yes or no, did you game the system? .. or other contacts with with the mr. roseman, how would you sell cell phone contacts? were

we're talking about a guy named greg roseman.alf a billion dollars worth of small business. of course, it points out to just how massive the tax code and all of the enforcement rules are and how it is ripe for this kind of abuse and fraud that is now being highlighted. anything that gives momentum to the effort to make our tax code fairer flatter and our government smaller, i'm all for. three cheers for that. >> steve: the thing about this particular guy who got the half a billion dollars, it sounds like he was -- he had applied for a special government program that was available to veterans who had a disability. as it turns out, this guy had no connection aside from his friend, at the irs. no connection to the military other than the fact that he played at the u.s. military academy in prep school and twisted his ankle 27 years ago and he's absolutely fine and yet he said i should get the money because of my -- what i've given to my country. >> yes, that's right. a real hero there. and it's exactly those kind of yarns that are be

counsel, i invoke my fifth amendment privilege to remain silent. >> flash back to lois lerner, but rosemanstioned about helping a friend secure $500 million worth of irs contracts. this less than 48 hours before the same committee will vote on whether learn every waived constitutional protections before invoking her fifth amendment in may. these new claims by progressive groups that they were targeted by the irs are, in fact, false. if you were paying attention to the scandal, the inspector general report outlined very clearly the distinct ideological imbalance. the outsted irs commissioner admitted to targeting conservatives. michelle malkinus. number two fifth amendment, reaction? >> all it takes is one crack for a stonewall to crumble, and as farther as these obstructists, irs bureaucrats are working to keep the truth from the public, it won't pan out for them. the pressing and pressure that darrell issa and the house oversight and government reform economy are only a piece of it. we need continued vigilance and voices from the american people, the american taxpayers, not just people wh

roseman, are you currently employed by the irs? >>' mr.irman, on the advice of counsel, i respectfully decline to answer any questions and invoke my fifth amendment privilege to remain silent. >> shepard: as the chairman knew once you invoked you have to continue that way. this comes after lois lerner, the now suspended head of the irs division for tax exempt organizations refused to answer questions about the agency's targeting of political groups. doug mckelway reports tonight from washington. doug? >> shep, this latest irs scandal involves the largest contract in irs history awarded to a company called strong castle incorporated. for new irs computers. its president raoul casteel won access to government minority contracts by claiming his business was in a disadvantaged area of washington, d.c. but he hired neighborhood students from expensive catholic university as employees. he got access to another minority contracting program by claiming he was a disabled vet. his wound? an ankle twisted during football at the u.s. military academy

roseman, who plead the fifth, can you tell us will he keep his job? committee members satisfied with the answers they got today from the irs? jim jordan joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> good to be with you, greta. >> beth tucker, number three deputy commissioner, says they all do their best, and i assume she means she was doing her best too. however, in may 2012, she knew about the targeting, and she just sat there and did zero. >> in the meeting when the inspector general informed her, steve miller and doug shulman, the same guy went to the white house 157 times when the targeting was taking place. mr. shulman is gone, mr. miller is fired. she was the top-ranking official that was there when this was happening. didn't feel it was incumbent to set the record straight, even though her boss had testified two months prior to congress and said he could give us assurances no targeting going on. every time you pull on a string with this deal, it just unravels more and more from sweetheart deals to the second person taking the fifth to conferences where ex

. >> what is it -- is it roseman awarded these contracts? probably the biggest contracts to someone who he's friends with? that's a suggestion of the report? >> a friend of now ten years. he appears to have coaxed and helped them through the process. there's a sequence of events that we lay out in our report. one of them is, here's an individual who has a small accident apparently while playing ball, at the prep school. this is not even the army academy, but this is a prep school he attended for a few months, and 27 years later, after playing college football he -- a few months before buying this company and claiming to be a service connected disabled veteran, he comes in and says yes i have pain in my ankle, gets a 30% disability. then moves his company that he bought for a few dollars, really. it was $200,000 in business. he moves it into what had formerly been called a hub zone. this is a historically underutilized zone, it's a zone in washington, d.c., that actually is no longer. it's by the verizon center, it's no longer underappreciate

will you have everyone, including roseman and lerner come forward?i've answered questions for the past two hours, i held a press conference the other day open to the press to ask me a lot of questions. the most important thing i can do right now is get back to work. >> the tea party groups, did they get any clearances about the urs targeting investigation. >> good to be back. >> what it was like for you sitting in the hearing today? >> well, it reminded me that if you are invited to a barbecue, make sure you are not the pig. commissioner werfel really caught it tow. and to be honest, he didn't give very good answers, complete answers, and he deserved a bit of grilling in my opinion. >> what did you want to hear answer answered? >> blew it right out of the gate when he said his own investigation if you will, internally in the irs, that he found no wrongdoing. this whole thing started with an apology for a wrongdoing. you don't apologize for a rightdoing. i was looking for who did what? how high this goes, how broad this issue is. i didn't approach any

. >> yet another high level irs employee deputy director in fact gregory roseman pleading the 5th protectingself by refuse to go answer questions yesterday about a growing contracting scandal abot the irs he's accus of helping steer irs contracts to castillo who secured hundreds of millions of dollars of contracts and his problems of his own for starters and the neighborhood followed by business for special treatment. castillo may not have broken any laws but claims a prep school football injury gives a leg up for federal contract proves too much for congresswoman tammy duct worth who lost both of they are her legs while serving iraq. >> i am so glad you would be willing to play football again to protect this great country. shame on you mr. castillo. shame on you. >> something else the new commissioner will have to answer questions about new disclosures about a lavish irs conference in atlanta back in 2008 and sent taxpayers back about $2.4 million. >>> that's a lot of money. doug luzader thank you so much. let that guy have it. we will hear more of that. >> meanwhile before you leave the ho

you admit you haven't spoken to shulman or learner or miller or roseman. intense congressional questioning you pivot to the obama playbook. first, no. then i don't know. then there's no evidence. then you prove there was wrongdoing, i challenge your question. then you're looking into the facts. now you're going to wait for the justice department to do an investigation. great. in over his head holder gets another investigation he won't do. does this remind you of anything? remember benghazi? that arb that hilary appointed? they didn't get the facts but they had a conclusion. they didn't speak to hilary, they didn't ask the president if he issued the cross border authority. such a happy ending. and everybody is still working at the state department. be folks, this is how it's done in washington. they don't want the truth. no one has been fired, sanctioned, prosecuted, people are on vacation, getting paid for not working and not doing their jobs. now they say at the irs that they are sorry about the conferences and the lavish spending and the targeting of con

. >> reporter: his close friend greg roseman, they found kinship in homophobic texting detailed in the report.is still employede irs. >> can you issue a statement by 5:00 today as to how someone that used this language in official capacity as a government employee is still employed and enjoying a paycheck? >> we are having discussions with our general counsel. >> reporter: friday, the committee will vote whether it believes lois lerner waived her fifth amendment rights by claiming the fifth, and moments later proclaiming her innocence. she remains under subpoena. >> we will follow it. thank you. >>> the u.s. economy grew as a slower rate than first thought in the first three months of the year. gdp was up in an annual 1.8% clip. it was first announced to be 2.4%. experts say consumers spent less than estimated. that didn't stop wall street today from a second straight day, positive day. the dow surged 150 points today, the s and p gained 15, nasdaq up 28. >>> the man in charge of u.s. forces in africa the night of the terror attacks in benghazi, libya told his side of the story today.

roseman, are you currently employed by the irs? >> mr. chairman on the advice of counsel i respectfully refuse to answer any questions and invoke my fifth amendment privilege to remain silent. >> are you prepared to answer any questions here today about your role in the irs informations and technologies products and services from strong cattle inc? >> mr. chairman, no. bill: darrell issa, welcome back to america' newsroom. what did you think yesterday? i think you thought were going to get the fifth. did you? >> we did suspect that. our report came out that morning that included some revealing information in things mr. rose man was involved. but in the weeks and months leading up to this we couldn't get the irs to see there was a there there. only during our investigation did the senior deputy in charge tucker admit now there was something that concerned her. that's one of the problem at the irs and more broadly in government. when good people do things, it's fine. when they do thing wrong they don't see it. bill: the allegation is $500 m

roseman, the deputy irs director who was throwing the biggest contract in u.s.gee crony capitalism comes to mind. to his good buddy tat had the military disability because he turned his ankle in a prep school getting ready to go to military school. and as a result he is going to get a 500-million-dollar contract. well, roseman came in, he didn't say i'm not guilty, i didn't do anything wrong. he knew better than that he had a better lawyer. so he came in and said i'm taking the fifth. i'm not talking. that's how you do that. >> tucker: is there a chance that lois lerner will be hauled back before the committee? >> oh, yeah. now that they have said she waived her fifth amendment right, the next step is to subpoena her, to have her come back and then at that point, if she refuses, not a criminal court, then they will have to find her in contempt. there will be a vote on whether or not she is in contempt. and then if she is, then it goes to the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. and gee, aren't they always helpful to us in. >> not always. i want to get you