i was born in kentucky, the home of rosemary clooney. and i understand from the panel, your two guests, henry clay is considered the favorite son of kentucky. although he and lincoln were members of the wig party, i don't understand how he could be the favorite son and not abraham lincoln. who -- when he met harriet beacher stowe, had you that lady that started this great war and -- she had never mentioned nor is uncle tom who is -- i consider the greatest christian in american literature. neither are mentioned ever as being great in their time. and yet on the times in which they lived and even today, their influences is greatly felt. especially by -- many african-americans who are historically informed. why is not lincoln? >> your response, please? >> abraham lincoln certainly -- kentucky, he may have started off as being friends in kentucky. certainly the emancipation proclamation is issued, he becomes a much hated figure here in kentucky. so -- henry clay, who considered himself a werner, but -- many southerners would have -- would ch