think about rosemary woods, president nixon's secretary. everybody knew who rosemary woods was the woman who supposedly accidentally, trying to demonstrate to the media how she was just happen stance deleting that tape. she was the fall girl for a president of the united states. and the media was obsessed with it. everybody in the united states of america knew who this woman was. you have the death of legitimate journalism by the press saying we're not going to report on this. they are just as bad. the irs targets people financially. the media targets people with their pens or computers. they do the same thing. that's why they think this is okay. >> let me ask you a question with all due respect you got to be unbelievable naive to believe irs and other administration didn't target people. maybe not at this level. >> they admitted as much that they targeted -- they are not allowed to do that. >> i under they are not allowed to do it. but to suggest that the irs is purely an institution that doesn't target. why do i get audited. >> they targe

. >> steve, about 40 year ace go there was a secretary named rosemary woods. there was a taping error that happened during which there was a gap, a critical gap. his role in a cover up. that gap prevented some of that identification. eventually the president had to resign. could this lead to that? >> that 18.5 ratio was fun to see how it happened. it did bring down the president. i'm not sure it will bring down this president but the fact of the matter is it will bring down the democratic party. you will start to see it in november. it will discredit the idea of big government. >> if the public is aware of it. i listened to npr yesterday. we obviously are right here. i listened to npr for an hour and a half. not one word on the day the commissioner was giving testimony. not one word. and npr is not reporting on it. >> if they didn't record on it it's shocking. i do have to say this, i think steve undermines his case which would otherwise be a good one when he overstates it. this is not going to bring down the democratic party. >> i think it's worse than water

think about rosemary woods, president nixon's secretary. everybody knew who rosemary woods was the woman who supposedly accidentally, trying to demonstrate to the media how she was just happen stance deleting that tape. she was the fall girl for a president of the united states. and the media was obsessed with it. everybody in the united states of america knew who this woman was. you have the death of legitimate journalism by the press saying we're not going to report on this. they are just as bad. the irs targets people financially. the media targets people with their pens or computers. they do the same thing. that's why they think this is okay. >> let me ask you a question with all due respect you got to be unbelievable naive to believe irs and other administration didn't target people. maybe not at this level. >> they admitted as much that they targeted -- they are not allowed to do that. >> i under they are not allowed to do it. but to suggest that the irs is purely an institution that doesn't target. why do i get audited. >> they targe

jon: rosemary woods tried to explain who she erased some nixon recordings through this convoluted, complicatedess this button with my foot and press this with my finger kind ever thing but the mainstream media don't seem to be real interested in this story. would you agree? there is not a whole lot of coverage. >> there hasn't been a whole lot of coverage. i think that is one of the reasons. "new york times," for example, sunday paper, after this explosive hearing on friday, they ran something on saturday but nothing in the big sunday edition. very little in the "washington post." not a lot on the major networks. i think that is one of the reasons that this story hasn't sort of blown up but it will continue and certainly, you know, there are a couple of things that might increase the visibility and pressure. certainly if republicans take control of the senate in november they would have subpoena power there. and there is always the possibility that someone from within the irs would come forward, whistle-blower of some kind and provide additional information that would, you know, sort of up the

. >> you're talking rosemary woods, the tape taped over. goes beyond credulity.o you want to get your hands on that or the chain of command. >> the way to investigate this, you subpoena the machine. b., look at the other side of it. who did she send e-mails too because you can get them from there. and then lastly you go to servers and other areas where the data is stored. >> amazing. you really helped yourself with the austin powers reference. >> as far as getting invited back? >> well, no, but not bad. the doctor evil thing not bad. >> when we come back, you think iraq is hitting you at the pump right now? wait you hear what congress wants to do. i thought congress was on our side. huh...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that. well, did you know that old macdonald was a really bad speller? your word is...cow. cow. cow. c...o...w... ...e...i...e...i...o. [buzzer] dangnabbit. geico. fifteen minutes could save you...well, you know. was a truly amazing day.ey, without angie's list, i don't know if we c

. >> the bottom line -- >> remember the nixon scandal, everybody knew who rosemary woods was. nixon's secretary who accidentally deleted a couple of minutes of tapes. >> 18 minutes of the tapes. >> that's not when it actually happened. that was her trying to explain to reporters how she accidentally did it so they actually staged this thing where her foot was on the pedal and remarkable but bottom line is, the white house says 67,000 emails from lois lerner have been released to say, look. we've been transparent. emails have gone out. that's great and those emails, they say, show no corruption. where is the two years of emails when that's being investigated? that's the key. >> the i.r.s. commissioner to stand up there and look so shocked that people actually think this time line is curious and fishy. why didn't he or someone stop and say, do you know what? this looks crazy. >> it does look odd. we'll get to the bottom of it. you wish somebody would do that. >> technology questions that daryl is is wanted to have tonight. those answers to his questions we'll hear for the first

rosemary woods only lost 18 minutes of a tape, or disappeared. this is -- seven hard drives. lerner's but six other people just destroyed. this is ridiculous. what we should have is a special prosecutor not attached to the justice department, to get to the bottom of this abuse and what went on, and as far as i can tell, that's why i agree with john, that's why they should shut the funding, until they come forward. >> a special prosecutor is something i have talked about before on this program and others, something not attached to the doj issue, as you just said. i'm seeing this tweet from patrice. she says if representative issa were confident there's a higher conspiracy, lerner would already have immunity. the uncertainly helps keep people angry. doug? >> well, that's certainly true, but we're not dealing here with prolonged uncertainty. i think political insiders agree that that is corrosive to american democracy. the reason why i think john and pat are on the right page here is we've got to get answers. it isn't clear to me that lois lerner has the answers or will share th

it's not 18 minutes like in the nixon white house or rosemary woods. this is 18 months. we learned there was a backup system. i don't know how much information they have. unfortunately that backup system which is in place i think from 2005 to what we've learned to about 2011, i believe, in the time frame that, again, some of this came down, that company was terminated right at about the time that some of this, again, occurred. so we're going to see if there is backup information. we're going to find out who, if anyone, was responsible for what happened to the tapes. we don't know. again, i think the whole country was stunned just a few days ago to find out that this information had crashed or disappeared. >> brown: sander levin, from your side, the charge has been that the i.r.s. including john koskinen as well as the information never really addressed the larger matter behind all this, the question of targeting conservative groups, an it's been treated as a minor matter. >> that's not true at all. by the way, you mentioned the efforts to tie this to the white house -- t

i mean, this makes rosemary woods' 18 and a half minute gap during watergate look like a walk in thepat, before we go to you. jose writes on twitter, ms. faulkn faulkner, the irs has a -- recovery archive company that doug was alluding to. it's called sohn a soft. they spent from what i'm reading, money advertising. they might be a little motivated to go back and find the e-mails on their own service works. >> you wish somebody would. let me just say something. if you believe the 6,000 e-mails and all these things crashed and can't be recovered, and we're only told to the congress this week after being known for months, then you probably believe that after 642 days a man who was running around in the open in libya, benghazi, who was a suspect finally gets picked up and has nothing to do with the political agenda of the white house. i want to tell you, look, the only simpleton cannot grasp or a partisan simpleton that there's a cover-up going on here. even the republicans are incompetent at getting at the heart of it. all i can tell you you is that bob bauer, husband of anita dunn who

madam president, this is rosemary woods. madam president, when you have federal government officials destroying evidence, in the ordinary parlance, that's called obstruction of justice. the hard drive magically collapses, magically crashes and is physically destroyed right after the investigation begins. and i would mind you, the investigation that has resulted in lois lerner pleading the fifth twice. we are supposed to believe that the emails from the i.r.s. officials in charge of the division that illegally targeted political organizations and has repeatedly pleaded the fifth to avoid incriminating herself, that her emails have simply vanished. innocuously, just erased. you know, it happens. it happens that people in the middle of illegal acts, their records magically disappear right when the investigators are seeking to discover them. madam president, this is an outrage. this is a scandal. this is an insult to anyone concerned about rule of law, and no one in the united states senate, regardless of political party, should

woods. >>> father's day is off to a beautiful start. here's a live look at center city where conditions will be sunny and not humid. good morning. i'm rosemary connors. it's 9:30 on this sunday. let's get a check of this forecast with nbc 10 meteorologist ted florendo. first we want to obviously wish a happy father's day to all dads out there. specifically i have to wish a happy father's day to my twin brother who's a new dad, my father who's the best dad and to you. i almost forgot you're a relatively new dad. >> i almost forgot. happy father's day to all dads out there. thank you rosemary. what a great day to have a brunch. we have plenty of sunshine and like rosemary said, no humidity. very low today. that's going to change for the upcoming week. get out and enjoy it while it lasts. outside in the poconos up at wood lock, we have sunshine up there too. most of the wind has died down. looking at a light breeze outside. currently numbers show mid-60s throughout our region. wildwood here's what you can expect for the day if you're enjoying the sunshine. mid 70s with plenty of sun until this evening. the forecast calls for that sunshine to st