rosendale: mr. delbene, clearly learned some lessons in vbms, hr, moving toward a more agile, less risky approach. we are also arguing plummeting this? mr. delbene: ironically, where we are ending up in the ehrm program is an incremental approach. if you look retrospectively, we have established six locations where it is today with the pause we are resetting to get it right . hindsight is 20/20, but you probably should have done that from the beginning. scope of the project from the beginning should have been this first pod, and then you would broaden beyond that. i think it's the model we are using everywhere. even if fmbt -- it's been talked about as big bang. it is not really. get the blueprint of the financial transformation right, start with some of the core offices and add vba. that thing we will have to do in the future which we are just doing with the central offices in the first to central office first is the rollout. that will be complex. but i don't think it is completely accurate to say

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