um, let me start with you, professor rosenhed. i usually kick things off by asking um, the guest in the studio to uh share their thoughts on the mounting human tole in the gaza strip and of course in the west bank, and the uh humanitarian catastrophe that you heard about little earlier. yeah. it's uh, it's astounding that the world should stand by and let it happen, um, it is, i've been around a long time, and i can't remember. remember deliberately inflicted set of deaths injuries and humiliations uh that has been allowed to go on by the so-called international community, which actually really means people who don't aren't willing to disagree with the united states, it's not not truly international. um, we see that in the united nations, in the united nations, um, a... vote for sease fire was only prevented by the veto of the united states resolutions in the general assembly are overwhelmingly successful and and yet there's only one person who can or one country that can pull the plug on israel and that's the united states and th

in the gaza's trip, and of course it's ongoing raids in the west bank with my guests, professor rosenhed in the studio with me, and on skype in sheffield, pablo navarate. now, pablo, i want to come to you, and thanks for sticking around, um, we made a mention of the hoothies earlier on on the program, um, we heard the american defense secretary. austin talking about a 10 nation naval force um to prevent further attacks on the different ships whether israeli flagged or bound for israel, do you think that's going to make a difference in terms of how this ongoing onslot will pan out? i mean, sure, i mean if the us were to intervene there, i'm sure it would affect how how things develop. "i'm not, i'm not an expert a fast moving situation, i know, um, but i know that certainly that the actions of the hooties have been heroic in many ways to showing the world what direct action uh to try and stop this genocide looks like and and sort of bringing it back home, i think when when you asked me earlier whether i was hopeful that there would be sort of justice in the future for the crimes, but the