if you steal the rosetta stone it is hard to - the rosetta stone it is hard to sell, everyone knows theseing to do if you have a criminal mind is to steal small objects, gold or silva, jewellery, because you can melt down or dismantle a piece ofjewellery. and then these things disappear on the black market and sometimes even on the legal market.— black market and sometimes even on the legal market. we may never know the legal market. we may never know the true scale — the legal market. we may never know the true scale of _ the legal market. we may never know the true scale of the _ the legal market. we may never know the true scale of the damage - the legal market. we may never know the true scale of the damage to - the legal market. we may never know the true scale of the damage to this . the true scale of the damage to this priceless collection. but tonight the largest museum in the world is in crisis. with me now charles saumarez smith, former director of the national gallery, the national portait gallery and chief executive of the royal academy of arts. and christos tsirogiannis, arch

oh, the rosetta stone is an amazing uniform writing. and then any student learns about it goes what, what does it actually say? gets told though it's some accounting thing you might have to provide just what the resistance stone is. and why or give me one told what's written on the rosetta stone. i think it's a british museum that yes, is because it is that people are really embarrassed to say, well, this is a debt cancellation. there was a civil war going on and out of the egyptian rulers did exactly what the egyptian rulers of the pharaohs had been doing for it 2000 years after it in order to make the peace in order to create a feeling of citizenship. once again, you cancel all of this that have been run up during the war and you start with a clean slate with everybody in balance. and that idea of restoring balance doesn't exist today because of you are an economist and you go to the university. they say, oh, we don't need a government to write down this because the private sector will automatically reach equilibrium the spare in natu

the rosetta stone in the british museum, the zodiac.ieve, can you feel free and feel happy when you see a replica in a temple and taken by the french, given to the louvre and you have the original in the louvre? i hope the french people can support our cause, and we have a petition. it is signed until now by many foreigners and many egyptians. i'm hoping it can reach one million, and after that, i will be able to send a letter to the louvre and others to ask for the return of nefertiti, the zodiac, and rosetta stone. >> what are the latest discoveries, and when will there be new secrets to be unveiled? >> we are working right now to see what is under the corridor found behind the main entrance of the palace and searching now for the mummy of nefertiti and her daughter. we are working with dna to find out and searching the belly of the kings for the tomb of queen nefertiti. we think there is one area -- we hope the valley of the kings will reveal another sector to us. >> last question -- the grand egyptian museum has been long awaited. w

and the rosetta stone was there. and the rosetta stone was key to that .egypt. these for world these are items for world heritage . i would actually think heritage. i would actually think it's heritage. i would actually think ws fime heritage. i would actually think it's time for the british it's high time for the british museum a new permanent museum to have a new permanent exhibition, not being defensive but explaining to the world and how britain rediscovered these ancient civilisations, how it saved historic artefacts like the stone. you know how the rosetta stone. you know how many items in egypt were being destroyed by looters who were looking for treasures? the british. let's hear what dr. hawass has say that . hawass has to say about that. >> listen. listen. i don't understand. he's saying that the in egypt are monuments destroyed by looters. what do you mean? nothing happened like that. i would like i am not denying . would like i am not denying. listen, listen. let me finish . listen, listen. let me finish. i'm saying you are saying the british an

you say the former chief of staff, mark meadows, tweets of the rosetta stone. where's mark meadows? you not have the chief of staff figure more prominently and this indictments? is he, i've always thought he's a co-operator. he's had his own federal exposure, his own state exposure. what's going on? whereas mark meadows? >> hey, katie, you know the first thing i read was the actual coconspirator the -- i didn't read any description of mark meadows. i believe that he is probably, i think he's a massive part of this investigation. especially if he gave up his emails, which we saw a lot of, that also. i think people need to go back and read, it wasn't over 200-page violent by the january six committee concerning mark meadows. if you're talking about emails from individuals conducting the cyber investigations. you, know in this county, and also some of the people with this 80, geo people of that up. meadows was involved in every single facet of this. from follow the money, to the fake cyber vessel geisha, and to use a national assets, or task gain in order to look a foreign interference

someone whose text messages were the rosetta stone for the january 6th committee and someone who has gone totally dark in public really for the last several months. whether he is -- which end of this indictment he might find himself on is something that i'm very interested in. and i know people in trump's orbit are very interested in as well. >> so, as ryan pointed out, michael, the j 6 committee did a lot. this grand jury heard more, they heard from more witnesses, they were privy to more evidence. the conventional wisdom in the polls would suggest that the more trump gets indicted, the better it is for him, he makes more money. he gets more support in the polls. but is there anything you think that could come out of this from mark meadows or anyone else that might change that calculation? >> no. not really. you know, his base believes he's legitimately acted in this regard, you know, as president. they still see him as president. so, you know, all of what the system is doing at this point in view -- in light of -- in the view of his base, rather, is, you know, outside the ordinary.