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canterbury mp rosie duffield said labour mps were "baffled" by her "really peculiar" move to swap sides party figure hailed her switch as "one hell of a coup". 0ur chief political correspondent, henry zeffman, told me that labour leader keir starmer and his allies are jubilant that natalie elphicke hasjoined labour. and that's for the simple reason that they can now say to rishi sunak and to the voters that rishi sunak has promised to, in his words, stop the boats, stop the small boats crossing the channel. and the mp for dover, which is where so many of those boats arrive, has now publicly declared that she backs keir starmer to achieve that goal over rishi sunak. make no mistake, that is a proper blow in public relations terms for the conservative party, for rishi sunak. however, as you say, there is significant unease, mostly private, but a little bit in public from labour mps about this basically because natalie elphicke is quite right wing as they would see it as conservative mp saying she was probably on the right of the conservative party, although there's some nuances around tha

this, this rosie duffield, she's the mp for canterbury.t a few of them in canterbury. it's a lovely town actually. i just saw a city. it's a city because it's got a cathedral. but you know, that's different. it's different for the americans if you've got a church, because religion is so out of it, if you have a church in this country, you've got you're basically a city, a cathedral. okay i was making i was making a joke. no, i was making a joke. some things you can't joke about. i think as the representative for the uk here, i feel i need to go. >> yeah, i think that one needs a punchline. but anyway. >> yeah, well, that's my speed. basically. at least i've. i've shown up, but it says she's, there's only one of, there's only, there's 12 mps in kent and she's the only one who was labour and they didn't invite her to the party. she maybe there was a mistake that they made. it's easy. i've been many parties that i've not been ianed parties that i've not been invited to, i've got natalie, elphicke now, which is kind of a labour person. she's o

it seems that rosie duffield doesn't think that she's got a very good relationship with keir starmer , even though he says starmer, even though he says that he has a relationship with her. >> well, i think that, you know, rosie, is that rosie is a backbenchen rosie, is that rosie is a backbencher, keir is the leader of the party, and keir does his utmost to engage with with backbenchers throughout the party. and that's the right thing to do. >> and some people would say who are watching , actually what they are watching, actually what they really hate about politics is when politicians ask a question and they turn it straight into and they turn it straight into an attack on their opponent. do you hear that? do you get why politics perhaps could be those people that say politics could be done in a different way. >> maybe. but for me , >> maybe. but for me, understanding and knowing what a woman is as we're like 50% of the population is vital. safe spaces for children and looking after women in yesterday's appalling attack, such violence has no place on our streets. >> it is absolutely

canterbury mp rosie duffield said labour mps were "baffled" by her "really peculiar" move to swap sideser switch as "one hell of a coup". let's speak to our chief political correspondent from westminster. there's been disquiet in the labour party over this decision, despite the fact some people say, as i repeated the phrase, one helluva queue. what is your assessment of how it will impact labour? i

it seems that rosie duffield doesn't think that she's got a very good relationship with keir starmers a backbenchen rosie, is that rosie is a backbencher, keir is the leader of the party, and keir does his utmost to engage with with backbenchers throughout the party. and that's the right thing to do. >> and some people would say who are watching , actually what they are watching, actually what they really hate about politics is when politicians ask a question and they turn it straight into and they turn it straight into an attack on their opponent. do you hear that? do you get why politics perhaps could be those people that say politics could be done in a different way. >> maybe. but

well, we spoke to rosie duffield, the labour mp in the neighbouring constituency. lot of our mps are furious. and she further said keir starmer needs to listen more to his mps and less to his advisers. which of course we had all that insight from keir starmer, former chief of staff, on the saturday newscast. yes, we're talking to sam white about it. and i think, you know, if people weren't lucky enough to hear yesterday's episode, which you can still download on bbc sounds, you know, the headline for keir starmer�*s team this week was brilliant. we've created this impression, we've got somebody across the floor, massive splash for us. if we've rumbled a few people on the left of the party and some of our mps are unhappy about it. so what? because we've got the story, you've got the sensation, big tick ubu all round. however, it does have a sense that it's sort of dragging into something a bit more complicated and who knows? you know, we had nadhim zahawi on our programme this morning, a former tory chair and zarah sultana, left wing labour mp and they both actually

you are co-chairing this with rosie - co—chairing this with rosie duffield, and is it significant thatfor longer than the conservatives have been in power, the poor standard of maternity care in the uk, but is it significant that basically it needs prominent women in politics to make this an issue and bring this to public attention? because even today the bbc has been receiving numerous calls from people who have gone through horrific experiences. t do through horrific experiences. i do think ou through horrific experiences. i do think you are _ through horrific experiences. t if think you are right. there does seem to be a lack of discussion around women's health issues and that party might be to do with the demographic of parliament and it is still quite unusual to be a young female mp who has given birth while elected in office and i think we need to discuss these topics more openly. what struck me reading the submissions is there seems to be a taboo around risks around chard bear and i was expecting mums to write to me with recent experiences but mothers with experiences from ten,

about sir keir starmer and rosie duffield and very keen to talk about the conservatives and all this. i mean, i think condemning is, is, is, is putting it much, much too strongly. i mean, i think the thing about, about rosie is that she's very polarising and do you think she was treated well by sir keir starmer? yeah, i actually i mean i, i think she's actually i mean i, i think she's a very polarising person and, and quite a lot of things are about rosie duffield rather than actually about , about what's actually about, about what's going on. and i mean, it's , it's going on. and i mean, it's, it's very interesting that there's no question that , that, that among question that, that, that among many women and men, but particularly women , they are particularly women, they are split. there's a whole spectrum about what they feel about about about what they feel about about about trans women and where they should be. and, and a lot of people who agree with rosie's analysis actually think that she made an amazing amount of fuss , made an amazing amount of fuss, about very little, really

as the labour mp rosie duffield and the tory mp theo clark . and once again, well theo clark.ne side. just think, it's just great to see that , you know, great to see that, you know, normally people should be tearing lumps out of each other in the commons, but there they are with a common cause, putting all that to one side and sticking up for mothers both in their constituency and across their constituency and across the country. and a little nod there to fathers. i know it's not about the dads. i know it's not, but i'm just saying it can be traumatic to when you see surgery and all the rest of it and things start to go very, very wrong. and you're never, ever prepared for any of that in life . that's what happened to life. that's what happened to me. and suddenly when you think things can go very, very wrong, my boy, my first boy came very, very close to not making it. and when he was born and you know, when he was born and you know, when that happens in front of you, you have no idea you're taught you're all taught about storks and unicorns and the magic of parenthood. you'

that's what i'd like to. >> well, also, i think they should have just bought rosie duffield in front.eah, we've got rosie here. >> fantastic. yes like a sort of 90 cilla black's. yes. brilliant. >> yeah. matthew tonight i'm rosie das. yes. i'm dry ice. >> surprise, what was the question? has common sense provoked? well, just just as you say. >> but you say it's got that's that's that's my fear of it, what kind of changes do you know, bruce, that this might actually make to the constitution in terms of women's health care? >> i genuinely have no idea. and i'm not going to pretend that i do. right because i really don't. well, let me tell you. but on the same episode, richard madeley was discussing shoplifting. >> okay , that's very you. that's the. >> so if you give that a google, you'll understand what i'm talking about. allegedly. allegedly. so okay. >> well i'll head back to leicester for this question then , because a lot of the problems have been really you'll be a woman in hospital and you won't think are any men going to come into this space? >> i mean, that's the number one thi

the labour party has sidelined the likes of rosie duffield, one of the only mps that's ever spoken outilified for it. and the tory party we have penny mordaunt, who herself is, sounds just like any other trans rights activist, so i'm very concerned about it. but i'm also really hopeful that if it is an election issue, which it undoubtedly will, that it will be seen as the important issue, that it be seen as the important issue, thatitis be seen as the important issue, that it is not just about a tiny number of trans identified people that only affects that that number of people, but an issue that affects 51% of the electorate, of course, which is women, my perception was that with the publication of the casp report, there was a certain amount of scuttling to new political positions going on in across the parties, even the scottish national party was affected by the casp report, particularly with its change of leader. so the things that you've just described, are they the up to date positions of the political parties, would you say? >> well, i wouldn't know . i >> well, i wouldn't know.

, trans issues as rosie duffield, who has been largely, largely ex—communicated from the party. >> if we allow ourselves to believe that we've won over natalie elphicke in some way. natalie elphicke in some way. natalie elphicke in some way. natalie elphicke wants to keep a job for the time being. i think that she wants to do that easily and with less pressure because the conservative party is under immense pressure and no doubt friends, family members, colleagues , everybody will be colleagues, everybody will be saying to her, you know, why are you standing for this? you know, especially in that community about the small boat stuff, you know, because that's been their primary policy. that's all they've talked about. and then they're in this situation currently where she can't deliver on anything, she can't change anything. she can't do anything about it. so i think for us to believe that it's because we've won her over , i because we've won her over, i think it's more likely that she's come knocking at our door. and we've been kind of, you know, excited enough to let her in because

labour leader criticised labour mp rosie duffield back in 2021 for suggesting that only women can have shifted his stance and said miss duffield is right in what she said. just goes to show the leader of the opposition is an appreciator of egyptian footwear. well with me now is my panel barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the pr consultant and former labour aide stella santykiu , jerry, aide stella santykiu, jerry, come on, you turn if you want to . the leader of the opposition is for turning, yes , because he is for turning, yes, because he was in a ridiculous situation. i mean, i don't care if someone wants to identify as a man or a woman, i really don't. but if they want to go into a woman's safe space, like a women's lavatory or a changing room, that's just wrong. there are a lot of people who feel not a lot of people. there are a tiny minority of people who do not feel happy in their bodies. and it's only right that after proper advice, medical and psychiatric advice , they could psychiatric advice, they could have the full transition. those people are entitled to call t

and, yes, apologise to rosie duffield.ith actual women's spaces as something that's toxic when it's actually true , i think. actually true, i think. >> do we have a clip of this? no. well fair enough. no, we'll never know. anyway, he was on good morning britain this morning, you know, reverse harassing big time over gender and all of that stuff gone on, on the news. jack carson some creperie over in france that decides to not serve, british armed forces personnel . because armed forces personnel. because i don't know, really. they seem to forgotten that we bailed them out in world war one and world war two there as well. literally there, by the way. so i mean, these the owners of this creperie could remember that perhaps we could give the white flag that we had to pick up when we went through and liberated them and returned it back to them. >> how did you find that story? >> how did you find that story? >> very great research as a gb news. i mean, it's a load of crap, isn't it? >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> thank you ve

last weekend that biological sex does matter now, having previously thrown the heroic labour mp rosie duffieldhis insistence that she was wrong to say only women have a cervix now, he says only women do have a cervix. make it make sense. so he has now got six months to prove that he is the one that deserves five more years in power . it's unlikely, but it's power. it's unlikely, but it's possible labour's champagne socialists shouldn't pop their corks too soon. they might find that by november some of that sparkle has gone flat . i don't sparkle has gone flat. i don't like champagne myself. i find it bitter . anyway, your reaction gb bitter. anyway, your reaction gb news.com forward slash your say it is the bank holiday weekend, so i hope you've got something bubbly in front of you. we've certainly got a bubbly couple of hours, aided and abetted by my top pundits this evening. i'm delighted to have journalist and communication expert linda jubilee. we also have former adviser to boris johnson, political broadcast writer lord kulveer, ranger and campaigner and best selling author big chris wild

. >> i've got to say this to me has echoes of rosie duffield's treatment in the labour party, and keiraying he's got a good working relationship with her. >> and she was asked on twitter how is that possible? and she joked telepathy. there seem to be parallels there, obviously the snp have denied these allegations of bullying and a toxic culture. and of course they would point to their huge electoral success. they've been aheadin electoral success. they've been ahead in the polls for years now and have dominated scottish politics for a long, long time. and they will defend their record . and what about your move record. and what about your move to the conservatives? was that a difficult process? was it a painful process for you? >> it was something that, you know, i considered , very deeply. know, i considered, very deeply. i don't think you make a move like that without, you know, thinking through the impact for your family. and i've got young children and i know and i knew at the time that , you know, i at the time that, you know, i would, experience a lot of abuse up in scotland bec

and it's upset labour mps as well as conservative ones, particularly people like rosie duffield and jessillips , because of course jess phillips, because of course she supported her husband . she supported her husband. despite these very serious allegations, he went to jail for two years and she basically rubbished the victims even after he was convicted . he was convicted. >> and yeah, i mean, do you see this rumbling on, catherine? do you see this turning into something quite vicious because , something quite vicious because, i mean, one of them has to be telling an untruth as well. >> it shows no sign of dying down. and we're five days into this story now , how labour will this story now, how labour will be hoping they've made a calculation on basically that most people are getting on with their lives. they're not in interested in the nitty gritty of politics and that for most people, all they will see is a very right wing conservative mp on the front line of the small boats crisis, going over to sir keir starmer and saying, basically, rishi sunak has no hope of stopping the boats and

rosie duffield most notably.e hasn't had any apologies whatsoever from keir starmer about the way that she's been treated by some fellow parliamentarians. so this is something that crosses over from left to right. this is really not about left and right, is it? >> no, it's not, it's not, you know, political at all in that aspect. you know, there's a lot of us out there and i know rosie and you know, we want to support each other because actually this is the protection of children. and that shouldn't have a label of a party at all. and we get labelled far right for saying this. actually, no, we're saying that our priority and it should be everyone's priority is to protect children and keep children as children, because we know from the cass report, what the eventual thing that will happen and that will be the sterilisation of our children. >> so you mentioned the cass review and really that has been a game changer, hasn't it? yeah. and even in the in the interim , and even in the in the interim, cass review, you h

. >> it's not only jess phillips, rosie duffield wrote over the weekend about feeling deeply uncomfortable mp. yes. and she is saying that other many others feel that that discomfort, but also it wasn't necessary. starmer doesn't need this. she's not standing beyond the next election. why on earth? why? it just raises questions about his judgement. he's going to be the prime minister. >> there is an argument he needs good advisers, which i don't think he has in sue gray and he needs sound judgement. >> but it also adds to his flip flop behaviour as well. he's literally flip flopped on nearly every single policy that he's announced that they may go forward with. i think a lot of people who are defecting from the tory party in terms of the voters are looking at this and saying, well, if we get keir starmer, what the hell are we actually getting? >> well, i think that the argument, as you say, against against accepting natalie elphicke was this is one too clever by half. i mean dan porter the doctor tory mp. now i know he wasn't the most popular man in the tory party etc, but the real reason

people like rosie duffield and jess phillips, who've worked a lot on, you know, countering violence againstd girls and the labour party has taken someone who stuck up for stood by her sex offender husband, who was jailed for two years and continued to defend him after he had been convicted. and these allegations today in the sunday times are really pretty damning that she went to robert buckland, the then justice secretary, and expressed concerns before his trial that the court was too high profile , the court was too high profile, that the judge was too high profile. robert buckland was having none of it. but then later after he was convicted. the sunday times is also reporting that she tried again. this time she couldn't get near robert buckland, but she told the chief whip wanted them to intervene that his living . intervene that his living. conditions in prison were basically not good enough , that basically not good enough, that his bed was not comfortable enough, and that his pillows were not comfortable enough. so this story not going away at all? >> not at all, is it? that'll be int

there's plenty of labour mps jess phillips, rosie duffield, women who are very concerned about safety went to charlie elphicke? he. went to jail, she rubbished the victim. she said that, you know, he was attractive to women, that he'd had an apology earlier in the week, didn't they? >> jess phillips complains so much and certainly that that they were forced to apologise. >> yeah, but she stood by him for a long time and she said that, you know, he'd he'd had injustice heaped upon injustice, that he'd been thrown to the wolves rather than thinking, hang on a minute, you know, why are these women saying these things now? her mother says, oh, she stood by him because she was a good catholic. but certainly i think it's very problematic. but for all the outrage in westminster, what are people at home going to take for this? are they really going to register this or are they just going to see a very hardcore . tory mp see a very hardcore. tory mp going over to labour? >> i think what they're going to see is they're going to slightly forget keir starmer's. what is it? border control thing. >

but, you know, her principles have shifted and i think, as rosie duffield said, at least one kent mp with keir starmer, but it's not her, look, in all of this though, i mean, i know you're going to say, well, it's all down to her and people will have some sympathy with that. but what it does show is, is a government, a conservative party that does seem to be quite literally falling apart . and we literally falling apart. and we know, you know, parties that aren't unified ed, generally speaking, don't win elections. and that's, that has got to be a concern. you've got work to do. >> well, it it is. >> well, it it is. >> but actually, funnily enough, these kind of incidents do actually unite the party. i mean, you just saw you know, from our own benches, you know, absolute bafflement and, you know, and everybody thinking, you know, how can you do that? i mean, when you sign up for a political party, you sign up very much for the principles of the political party. and you know, what we're doing right now is trying to deliver against those, you know, trying to make sure that, you know, w

because rosie duffield has been saying, look, i feel real discomfort about this.labour mps. >> the line of the week i heard on that, i spoke to tom tugendhat this week and he said labour's a broad church, but they're so broad now they're going to start throwing bar mitzvahs. yeah, let's move on. there's a great line now then this clip , there's a great line now then this clip, emma, it certainly has got a lot of people's blood boiling . the magna carta boiling. the magna carta targeted by geriatric . just stop targeted by geriatric. just stop oilers. we've got a clip . so you oilers. we've got a clip. so you can see them there. there's a couple of old doris's . couple of old doris's. >> oh they're old. they're ladies in their 80s. >> what is one of boxt solar on? there's one is a priest. >> yeah. and one is a former teacher . and there they are. and teacher. and there they are. and people are filming them. no one is saying to them, stop attacking. this is in the british library right now. >> luckily, they've got all the force of a sparrow hitting a garage window,