roskam. mr. ross: did you notice something? -- mr. roskam: he was arguing from the other side of the aisle that ipab, this cost control board will never come into play as long as congress does its job. during the health care hearing that we had in the ways and means committee, the gentleman from wisconsin on the other side of the aisle characterized as ipab as a leap of faith. and we just heard from the the gentleman from texas who acknowledged it's not the best solution, so let's stick with it. here's the problem with sticking with this failed solution. they are asking seniors to bear the brunt of this. we had an expert witness who came into the ways and means committee and i posed this question, there is no rationing per se, although it's not defined in the bill, but the bill says there can't be rationing, but can there be per se rationing, if cost -- if coverage is denied based on cost? is that rationing? absolutely, congressman. take a leap of faith, a leap of blind faith that somehow congress is going to come up with the remedy a