he have the ross perot factor.ana, north carolina and virginia. i do nothing that he can win those states anymore. we are being told that we are still living in the age of reagan, that america it is a center or center-right country. obama will probably have to do what clinton did and try and delay. >> there are a lot of parallels with 1994. there are a couple of differences the weekend and coming out. republicans have not controlled congress for 40 years at that point. whatever you say about newt gingrich, one had a sense that they had crudely put together a semblance of an alternative program. this republican congress has really been more obstructionist. they have been late to come to the idea that we have to put something forward. the other thing that i think is different is that bill clinton, master politician, who had been a new democrat, who had been in the forefront of those moving the democratic party to the middle of the road anyway. he was comfortable in triangulation. he had welfare reform. bill clinton m

when ross perot in 1992 said you people, speaking at an naacp event in tennessee or someplace, he got murdered for it, whereas now, you know, jerry brown or somebody in this campaign, refers to meg whitman the republican rival as a whore, and now the national organization of women that would have called for the republicans to be fired and crucified. >> and castrated, too. >> and say it was a teachable moment. >> jon: tom brokaw moderated a debate in california. let's play a clip of that and then your reaction. >> we've heard no outrage by you about the use of that kind of language which to many women is equivalent to calling an african-american the n-word. have you been in charge of the investigation of your campaign to find out who was responsible for using that phrase. >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. and number two, this is a five week old, private conversation. >> oh. >> picked up on cell phone with a garbled transmission, very hard to detect who it is, this is not-- i don't want to get into the term how it's used, but i will say the campaign apologized promptly

ross perot was fake. these people in the mainstream parties are fake. >> fake politicians. >> sean: people are angry and find out these dirty tricks are being played. >> but it is played on both sides that is the point you are making too. >> sean: i agree. >> don't you think it is kind of funny, come on. that's pretty clever. and it is legal. >> when it's in the newspaper it stops being cleaver. >> apparently, it is legal. you have to question that. >> sean: we have record unemployment in the country. the final unemployment number comes out. we find out the ap reports 89,000 stimulus payments went to dead people and prisoners. $918,000 to study bar fights. they discover they happen in darker, dirtier babs frequented by heavy drinking people. if i'm on the unemployment roll and i read that would i have a right to be angry or should i laugh? >> no, it has happened in other administrations too where federal money has been wasted. the whole thing with the where thing. 900,000 going into a study. my husband co

he loves that song, ross perot's theme. "on the road again," it's been on commercials. sidney pollack and jerry satsberg, and we were talking about doing the movie "honeysuckle rose." we were talking about a song. they said can you come up with a song for the movie? and i said you mean something about being on the road again, on the road again, just can't wait to get on the road again? yeah, but where is the melody? i said i'll find one. i went to the studio, pretty much with just that in my mind and it was an easy song to write. >> larry: once you hear it, it never gets out of your head. one of those songs. as president of farm aid, you wrote to barack obama, offering to help put a new u.s. food and farm policy. any word back? >> i did talk to the secretary of agriculture and i got encouraging reports from him and i'm looking forward to talking to him again and seeing what we can do. >> larry: what is your basic idea? >> to get the farmer more money for what he does. get the dairy farmers more money for what they do. they are in bad condition right now. they are not ge

you could have a populous in the motive of a ross perot.f different ways and things could come to the front. it merits more attention this year and in the cent past. >> one thing we do know regardless of what party you're affiliated with is that money is flying into this town and our political process on an unprecedented level. a friend once said to me, a run away train and it's heading towards the wall, get out of the way. is this the train, jimmy? >> i got that from dick durbin from iillinois, so yeah, it's dwood advice. the outside money does bother me. the dnc just reported 16 million last month. that's a huge number considering democrats a hated. they raised $16 million. it's still going to be a drop in the bucket for the outside group. what concerns me the most was reported today and that is that foreign nationals, foreign corporations, have somehow figured out a way to break federal law and get money into the political system. that is not just okay. it is a gangster law for a foreign national to get any money into our u.s. political

ross perot was fake.ake. >> fake politicians. >> sean: people are angry and find out these dirty tricks are being played. >> but it is played on both sides that is the point you are making too. >> sean: i agree. >> don't you think it is kind of funny, come on. that's pretty clever. and it is legal. >> when it's in the newspaper it stops being cleaver. >> apparently, it is legal. you have to question that. >> sean: we have record unemployment in the country. the final unemployment number comes out. we find out the ap reports 89,000 stimulus payments went to dead people and prisoners. $918,000 to study bar fights. they discover they happen in darker, dirtier babs frequented by heavy drinking people. if i'm on the unemployment roll and i read that would i have a right to be angry or should i laugh? >> no, it has happened in other administrations too where federal money has been wasted. the whole thing with the where thing. 900,000 going into a study. my husband could have told them, he has been there, done t

ross perot we saw him do it crazy style and lose. you come in and you're encouraging these people. your fault? your response? >> clearly my fault. i beg forgiveness. i'm really sorry. does that make you happy? >> you've always got -- we've got meg whitman. >> if you take a look, all kidding aside, wealthy candidates do not do well percentage wise. most of them have lost. and that doesn't mean they wouldn't have been good if they had gotten elected, i don't know. i'm supporting meg whitman who i think would be a good governor of california, although her opponent jerry brown, people say he did a good job when he was mayor of oakland. why he would want to go back and be governor again, i don't know. there are others, some of whom have money and have done well. some of whom have not had money and done well. >> meg whitman, very tough on anyone who employs undocumented worker, turns out she employed an undocumented worker as her maid in her home for about seven, nine years. do you want to now officially retract your endorsement based on her employment of an illegal maid? >> i do not. >>

clinton was running third in the polls when he was running for president, he had an independent ross perotlican incumbent president bush. there was a time when he was running third in the polls, he came from behind he ended up with 43%, which was enough to win the presidency in 1992. does he have any particular advice for you for your position in this race? and how to deal with a three-way race, he won the presidency in a three-way race. >> people can identify public servants when they see them. there's not a day that goes by that i don't get stopped by a floridian. when i get stopped by -- you say, kendrick, you hang in there, keep fighting for us. that's what bill clinton represents. i'm proud to have bill clinton come down and campaign for me, just like any other democrat that's standing for the people of good will, i look forward to being able to win this race. let me tell you, in the primary, had you people down here writing my political obituary saying it was over. we were down by 10 points three weeks out. we're counting on every day floridians to stand with me so i can stand for th

ross perot was a factor in 1996. along with bob dole. don't believe the polls now when you hear obama is a one-term president. he will have a chance to redefine his presidency. the question is, will republicans work with him? or will we have a polarized washington and a 2012 campaign beginning right away? and is this president, can he be like bill clinton who loved the foyle of the republicans and very visceral in his opposition or will obama be the thoughtful law professor and be more detached? we don't know the answer. >> if i can jump in there, john. i think the last question you asked is really so smart and so important. because i think there's a big difference between obama and clinton. i think triangulation is not really the obama mode of governance. obama himself and his team are people who really wanted to be transformational from the start. that's why they started with health care on day one. and i think we could find them having a really hard time operating governing in a more tactical, as you were saying, sort of more emotiona

so clinton ran against ross perot, he was a deficit hawk, clinton approved rated the issue. obama is not doing that. foolish and he's going to be punished for it. >> what's -- moving from that talk about the concept of appropriation may be not a sense of maturity is this trust tactics and methods, and one thing to talk about in your book, kate zernike, is talking about move on board, the grateful dead, organizing tactics. the tea party movement in many ways may seem as at least some sort of a counter cultural movement if you're talking about a reaction to a certain at least proceed culture, and i'm wondering if you could talk about some of the common threads of what tucker clarson was talking about, the adulation of the rubble and the tea party as a self-contained self identified rebellion movement in the u.s. today. islamic i think that the tea party has very consciously appropriate -- the talk about salles berlinski all the time and say we want to use salles berlinski to our advantage, and i've watched from dreamworks and other grokster doherty is the loyalty parties and t

club republicans versus the social conservatives and the was the big story and we won and we thir ross perot had run and some would argue may have resulted in former president bush 41 closing and president clinton winning but clearly had a big impact. a lot of the voters can into the republican party and the process -- -- of the short of a is the more people coming to a party e better and i'm glad they are coming into the party. they are concerned about what people have been voting republic and going to republican mtings for years are concerned about this debt is out of control, taxes are too high, there's too much regulation, intervention in the economy, come in. >> attorneys to be ronald reagan had this line the evin command that is thou shalt not steal of another republican yet you have jim demint from south carolina in the senate who is running engaging in primaries against the sitting senators, sitting fellow republican senators and wants to purge the party like olympia snowe and maybe even bob corker for all i know who are too moderate. so that and i kn that there are a lot of people i

i have voted for both republicans and democrats, along with ross perot. the situation that i saw, bill clinton started the free-trade agreement with china, the economy lifted, and today what market are we most controlled by? the chinese market, almost every product is made in china. this is a lot of american jobs we are talking about. that kind of stopped everything from the bottom up, and then that went to the housing crisis. our home of the use started to devaluate. -- values started to devaluate. guest: these are all important factors, there is not one factor, but you bring up a good point. during this time, when we were deferred to wall street, their view of the economy, short-term, quarterly-type games over long- term, strategic thinking. all of our fortune 500 companies became caught up in this idea that any time market cap took a leap, they should get a generous slice of it, they became obsessed with having stock options. we were ignoring what was happening to the job base, what was happening to the middle class. it is not that free trade is bad. f

i mean, ross perot was kind of the peak of this stuff and he got about as far as you can get. you know, i think we would be nice if we had a few more parties to fix it up, but i don't it's going to happen. in 2012, if sarah palin is nominated, i hate to go back to it, but if someone is a nominee will be a conservative republican. i don't believe obama is a liberal democrat. i believe he is a central lab democrat. but as he is perceived, which he is in some circles as a very liberal antibusiness democrats, which is an unfortunate sigma to put attached to them. i think you could see some space for a third-party candidate. who could kill off some of the more center-right republicans and maybe some democrats, too. but again, i don't think that person could

they look at the example of ross perot in the unit itself -- i think they're a patient to a certain degree. they think they can have the most end up with a republican party which is ideologically closest to them. the most of all they just don't think a third party can work. >> and their wife. third parties are like bees. this thing once and die. and inject one of the main parties usually a single idea and they do it pretty effectively. that's kind of the cores are typically follows i think that's a good name. multiparty systems are by definition less moderate. people are frustrated with the two parties because they don't represent individuals in politics precisely. nobody is represented by either party and let the good thing. in the multiparty system, they have the effect of empowering moderate parties of people with intensely held views. imagine the pressure group in washington you hate most, whether it's the nra or wherever you're coming from. multiparty system that would be the focal party they would hold all the power. so i think it's my view, why have people recognize this kind of mem

well into each inning the giants could get anything going until this moment here that is when cody ross perotpark a solo run it was not enough. phillies take game 26-1. >> he's a really good picture. he was on tonight he had good stuff. we knew we had to work around sanchez i thought he'd do well. with his command he was a chance but there as on the pitcher will tonight. >> the giants and fillies will hold workouts at at&t park and game 3 will be tomorrow and the afternoon to keep it to tear kron4 will be following the giants as they make their way to the crops. the looks like a force was with the niners. this game was a stinker all the way up to the second half not much offense for the niners, and alex smith threw the touchdown strike. offering gore would find his legs in the second half. as the ninth offense started to get active. the niners of finally getting their first win 17-9 over the raiders. >> anytime you get a win, it is exciting for other guys. it gives them an edgy, motivation, a practice, we practice. we practice for the hurt. >> you got to start somewhere each at a fixed the ne

if you look at ross perot's attempt to move forward as an independent. one thing that's so striking about this movement, despite the fact that there's people like sara palin and others is it's very much a leaderless movement that wants to remain a leader ls movements. there's strength but also a lot of challenges. host: next, a call florida. caller: good morning. mr. king just answered my question. i was calling to see if he thought that the tea party would be a viable third party. that's good news for me. i'm a democrat up here and there's a lot of noise in florida this year, a couple of new candidates challenging career politicians like allen boyd, for example. and they've got a lot of funding from these people. i'm just real worried about that. i was watching earlier this morning. i just wanted to say that i've listened and watched for over five years now, i'm a college student and first-time calling so i'm a little bit nervous. but i appreciate what you are doing. i don't think you have a tea party agenda. i think you guys show both sides and i want

the last time we saw that, as you remember, was ross perot. at one point, he was doing remarkably well if you remember back in '92. >> in '92, there was a time he was ahead of bill clinton ahead of the republican nominee. for whatever reasons, he fell apart, dropped back, got back in. still had an influence in moving the country toward dealing with deficits. it was a positive influence. but back to bloomberg for a second. you know, he looked at this in 2008 and decided not to run. he thought he maybe could win the popular vote, i'm told, by people close to him. thought maybe he could win the popular vote. couldn't win the electoral college. people close to him said one circumstance under which he might run and he might do it in 2012 is if the economy is still in a real hole and barack obama continues to be unpopular. he's unpopular with the economy. and that would open up the middle in a way that bloomberg -- mike bloomberg who's extremely well respected in new york might take a shot at it. >> obama versus palin, that would create an opportuni

comes in a presidential here in the presidential race where they have had success in the past like ross perot. there is such a high level of discontent with both major parties and if that continues nearing 2012, it could be one of those years. host: democratic caller on the line from california. caller: are the republicans ready to give up their social security benefits to wall street and let them have disappeared? also, why is president obama of allowing [unintelligible] these companies have been corrected in the past and have swayed elections because the republican surge is unbelievable considering some of the candidates. it is almost ridiculous. guest: a look, the social security question comment. this has been a tough argument for democrats. the democratic national campaign committee, they're independent expenditure ads have focused very heavily on social security and accusing a number of republican candidates in the most competitive races of wanting to privatize social security and winning to reduce that benefit for seniors. this has been a focus not only on the house level but in the se

it reminds me a bit of the ross perot movement, where his campaign was a constitutional amendment toalance the budget. although he did get 19%, which is remarkable when you realize he was crazy -- [laughter] nevertheless, he may have changed the outcome of the election. he energized the public. that issue was allied not just in 1992 but was also part of what the republicans in office in 1994. the gingrich and organize the contract for america and this was part of his organized goals. clinton just kept on fighting against it and decided finally that he couldn't. the republicans want to balance the budget in 10 years, i am going to do it in seven. he realized that he could not win the question about whether or not to balance the budget. should there be more controlled spending in washington? i think that is something that most people feel is an important conversation to have. >> the next question is from sierra hogan. she is from pennsylvania. i also know her mother is in the audience. >> we mentioned about the teachers union. according to an article, ms. myers, do you believe the unio

i have voted for both republicans and democrats, along with ross perot. the situation that i saw, bill clinton started the free-trade agreement with china, the economy lifted, and today what market are we most controlled by? the chinese market, almost every product is made in china. this is a lot of american jobs we are talking about. that kind of stopped everything from the bottom up, and then that went to the housing crisis. our home of the use started to devaluate. -- values started to devaluate. guest: these are all important factors, there is not one factor, but you bring up a good point. during this time, when we were deferred to wall street, their view of the economy, short-term, quarterly-type games over long- term, strategic thinking. all of our fortune 500 companies became caught up in this idea that any time market cap took a leap, they should get a generous slice of it, they became obsessed with having stock options. we were ignoring what was happening to the job base, what was happening to the middle class. it is not that free trade is bad. f

got yesterday you can see signs the turn the old president barack obama: they turned into a cody ross perothey said ross for president i call the park this morning the house that ross bill. he can do no wrong. i think he is going to be remembered for a long time >> we can grow on some beard's if you want. lemond. >> they don't look real at all. >> we'll be back with more in just a couple of minutes. and on the when the forecast to will tell you about a few minutes. and we're back, watching wall street stocks are getting better by the minute, the dow was up 113, 11,092 the current level the s&p is also up better than 11 points nasdaq up better than 21 and a half point airline stocks are rising after delta reported that it had an 19% jump in passenger revenue internet company's net flicks and even will announce their earnings after the closing bell we will see how wall street reacts to that so far. so good. >> baby gear maker graco is recalling about 2 million strollers after receiving reports that four infants died in the strollers. the consumer product safety commission, which announced the

ross perot had a lot of money and pushed his popular vote of 219% in 1992.as much as we have seen. -- up to 19% in 1992. that is as much as we have seen. then you have to go back to george wallace. many americans will say it is a good idea, but i do not know how viable it is. host: richard, on the republican line. caller: i have a question for you. isn't the president of the united states supposed to represent the whole nation? this guy is running around the country campaigning and raising money for the democrats. how about the republicans of? he is not representing the republicans at all guest: that is a good question. and of course, obama is not the first. george bush was campaigning while in the white house for public in candidates. if you go back, richard nixon as well. it is a time-honored tradition. who is not paid for by the federal government. the are private funds raised for those campaigns. and president obama is certainly out a lot now campaigning for democratic candidates and makes no bones about it. whether or not it is excessive will have to wa

during the 1990's when ross perot was running for president. you really seek independences break -- you release the independents breaking with democrats over the health care bill. the common characteristics, you are dealing with a significant bell curve of the population. you see the two parties are more polarized than ever before. independents tend to track the general election and a bit better. but it is not just days late, moshi middle approach to politics. they tend to be closer to republicans on economic issues and closer to democrats on social issues. there are independents that support the tea party and there are those that do not think democrats are far left enough. i believe it this mainstream movement is in direct reaction to the polarized parties. the more polarized they get, the more the independents growth. whether it will coalesce into a third party movement remains to be seen. but the two parties need to wake up to the fact that this is happening under their noses. they want to be in denial about it. because so many independents

ross perot had a lot of money and pushed his popular vote of 219% in 1992. that is as much as we have seen. -- up to 19% in 1992. that is as much as we have seen. then you have to go back to george wallace. many americans will say it is a good idea, but i do not know how viable it is. host: richard, on the republican line. caller: i have a question for you. isn't the president of the united states supposed to represent the whole nation? this guy is running around the country campaigning and raising money for the democrats. how about the republicans of? he is not representing the republicans at all guest: that is a good question. and of course, obama is not the first. george bush was campaigning while in the white house for public in candidates. if you go back, richard nixon as well. it is a time-honored tradition. who is not paid for by the federal government. those are private funds raised for those campaigns. and president obama is certainly out a lot now campaigning for democratic candidates and makes no bones about it. whether or not it is excessive will

if you look at ross perot's attempt to move forward as an independent.ne thing that's so striking about this movement, despite the fact that there's people like sara palin and others is it's very much a leaderless movement that wants to remain a leader ls movements. there's strength but also a lot of challenges. host: next, a call florida. caller: good morning. mr. king just answered my question. i was calling to see if he thought that the tea party would be a viable third party. that's good news for me. i'm a democrat up here and there's a lot of noise in florida this year, a couple of new candidates challenging career politicians like allen boyd, for example. and they've got a lot of funding from these people. i'm just real worried about that. i was watching earlier this morning. i just wanted to say that i've listened and watched for over five years now, i'm a college student and first-time calling so i'm a little bit nervous. but i appreciate what you are doing. i don't think you have a tea party agenda. i think you guys show both sides and i want yo

i voted for ross perot and george bush. it is about the person. this election cycle, because of the nastiness, i am going to poll democrats all the way down. it is funny that we always hear about george soros. nobody mentions the couch brothers. i do not know why the republicans are so loud and the progressives are so quiet. guest: thank you. given that you are so pumped up, i would encourage you to go to our program and make some calls for some of the progressive candidate. if you want to have a voice, help us out. we have definitely seen an evolution in the past two years. keith coleman was basically the only progressive voice on cable news. in the past year we have had a couple of more personalities join the cast at msnbc. it is not a completely liberal network, but just these hours in the morning. there are some things that we can change, some things that we cannot, but there is a role in the political environment for groups out powers -- like ours to expand the scope of the conversation. again, that ad that you saw in iowa, that was reported

movements, or someone who has a billion dollars or more who will try to push the envelope away ross perot did. you would see in the case of a unemployment is an area -- conditions where it is difficult for both parties. the likelihood that is conditions will improve, president obama will pick up as clinton did period opening that exists now is likely to close, but it is not guaranteed. >> hi. a running theme has been increased charges for the voters. in a few weeks, californians are going to decide on a measure that would put the responsibility of redistricting back in their hands appeared i wonder if you have -- i wonder if you have any comments on that system, as opposed to a system that was controlled by the state legislature and vetoed by the governor. >> is in a nonpartisan panel? >> yes. it is a fairly complicated system drawn from a group of citizens that meet certain requirements -- never held positions related to t their seated. >> i am not familiar with how that system is done, but i do think we need it more competitive districts. from our republican perspective, the sense in ou

remember being the director of the executive party of texas when another tea party movement, that of ross perot, ended up costing us the election. i am grateful that the party activists chose to follow their principles and remain in in public and party and become an energizing force, reminding our party of what we stand for, which is limited government and a strong national defense and less spending and more power to the state and local governments and less power to washington. i think it has been an energizing force for our party. we cannot be complacent these final two weeks of the election. we have a great opportunity, and we have to work hard to turn out independent and conservative democrats who agree with this because i think it is really important for our country. >> are there some potential drawbacks that some of the candidates might be too conservative to win in a state like delaware, for example? certainly following george w. bush foes a gubernatorial bid as well as president, that there was an effort to win over st. voters and independents, and the tea party seems to be a play on the

conservatives and the was the big story and we won and we won big in '84 and thin and 92 after ross perot had run and some would argue may have resulted in former president bush 41 clong and president clinton winning but clearly had a big impact. a lot of the voters can into the republican party and e process -- -- of the short of a is the more people coming to a party th better and i'm glad they are coming into the party. they are concerned about what people have been voting republican and going to republican meetings for years are concerned about this debt is out of control, taxes are too high, there's too much regulation, intervention in the economy, come in. >> attorneys to be ronald reagan had this line the evin command at is thou shalt not steal of another republican yet you have jim demint from south carolina in the sene who is running engaging in primaries against the sitting senators, sitting fellow republican senators and wants to purge the party like olympia snowe and maybe even bob corker for all i know who are too moderate. so that and i know that there are a lot of people in

they were followers of ross perot. fig as you recall, -- as you recall, he ended up getting 18% of the election and was probably responsible for bill clinton being elected president. this is not new in america. the reaction against government and against immigration, reaction against deficits, and now today the tea party, which is a reaction against the size of government and the bigness of government. this is not new in america. i do think if you look at the primary, 9.8% of the voters voted republican primary, and it was 8.2 of the electorate voted in the democratic primary. for the first time in 70 years that the republican turnout was higher than the democratic turnout. they have had a very important factor in motivating the base of the party. i think they're real determinant will come on election day when we see whether the democratic organizational advantages -- they have spent a lot of money on the early balloting. a lot of money on getting out the vote. i think most pundits would recognize that the democrats ha

if you look at ross perot's attempt to move forward as an independent.that's so striking about this movement, despite the fact that there's people like sara palin and others is it's very much a leaderless movement that wants to remain a leader ls movements. there's strength but also a lot of challenges. host: next, a call florida. caller: good morning. mr. king just answered my question. i was calling to see if he thought that the tea party would be a viable third party. that's good news for me. i'm a democrat up here and there's a lot of noise in florida this year, a couple of new candidates challenging career politicians like allen boyd, for example. and they've got a lot of funding from these people. i'm just real worried about that. i was watching earlier this morning. i just wanted to say that i've listened and watched for over five years now, i'm a college student and first-time calling so i'm a little bit nervous. but i appreciate what you are doing. i don't think you have a tea party agenda. i think you guys show both sides and i want you to keep

happened in '94 which was very much driven by white working class voters, you know, who had been ross perot voters and pulled away, you know, clinton got them back but slowly. there's a lag to this. you know, it took -- by '96 he finally had enough growth for them to come back toward democrat. but they're going to be very much on the republican side, you know, i think short term is long. [laughter] >> anybody else? any questions do whave? this yes, over there. two over there. way over there. >> john isaacs, council for global world. there's been little attention paid to national security issues, and i notice the polling department cover that as well. -- didn't coffer that as well -- cover that as well. >> i mentioned, you know, you do hear out with the ken buck or a sharron angle some of the tea party candidates do express a certain skepticism about the bush vision, kind of the expansive bush vision of the u.s. assertively kind of, you know, making the world safe for democracy. do you think that we will see any kind of divisions among republicans about foreign policy, or is there, or is the

someone who has $1 billion or more that will come in and, again, try to push the envelope the way ross perot did. this time you're seeing in the case of a sarah palin 10% unemployment scenario, conditions that would be difficult for both parties, the republicans too far to the right, conditions do not approimprove. the likelihood is that conditions will improve, obama will pick up as clinton did. but it is not guaranteed. >> a running theme of tonight's discussion has been increased choice for the voters and putting more power back in their hands. in a few weeks californians are going to decide on a measure that would put the responsibility of redistricting back in their hands. i wonder if you have any comment on that system, the likelihood of producing a more fair and competitive district as opposed to a system that is controlled by the state legislature, paid for by the governor, like might happen in texas. >> is it a non-partisan panel? >> yes, it is a fairly complicated system drawn from a group of citizens that meet certain requirements like having never worked in government for, never

the ross perot kind of forces the republicans and democrats -- may be yelling at the other guy is notolution. it could be glenn beck. [laughter] >> defy or a republican now and i worked -- if i were a republican now, i would spend a lot of money running as an independent. someone new is incredibly well respected, everybody thought he would trounce by 70%, he lost the primary. it is not at all difficult to imagine how we see a replay of that in 2012 republican primaries. it would be a gift to obama. i mentioned mitch daniels before. if i were a moderate republican, i would be so tempted to give a shot. even though history says it is a long shot. >> we have run to the questions. i am very happy to take questions from the floor. i have a lot of questions bread but i do want to give everybody the chance to ask these two gentlemen, all kinds of questions. if you have a question, raise your hand. >> [inaudible] >> let me repeat the question. the issue is, the current unemployment rates is not there until we get down to 6%. what is realistic? >> if we wait for the public to clamor for cuttin