. >> i don't need to be ross perot. nothing against ross perot. getting 19% of the vote i don't think would be very tough at all. the truth is they hate both parties. you have an independent group of people that, frankly, don't like the republicans, and they don't like the democrats. and i think that there would be an opportunity. but i also think in my case, i'm a very conservative person. although, you know, not as conservative perhaps as some but i'm pretty conservative. i think i'd probably hurt the republicans. and unless i thought i could absolutely win, i don't care if i hurt the republicans if i thought i could win because the main thing is you have to get obama out of office. you have to end obamacare. you have to get this country back on its footing again. you know, if we don't do it, four more years like this, i don't know if the country can ever come back. >> hold that thought. let's come back after the break. talk more about the economy and about jobs in particular. and also, this big tax debate going on. >> okay.

it does seem like we're kind of at a ross perot or ralph nader moment that there's a possibility a third party might emerge on either side because there's enough discontent in your side do you see anything like that happening that was possible you know once all ross perot he was going to transport was really right i mean that in the end you know and he was a very rare situation where he got almost twenty percent of the vote here one thousand nine hundred two no one's really making those those sorts of noises right now except for maybe donald trump i don't think relative replicate ross perot on that score there's certainly a disadvantage constituency that it's satisfy with both parties but no one seems to be tapping it right now so i'm not seeing at this moment that last question real quickly you're hosting a progressive breakfast at the take back the american dream conference tomorrow morning at seven thirty that's what's what's cooking i going to see what's going to cook overnight but probably the total action which we know about of the republicans over the american jobs act. that seems

we say in politics you know, you have a ross perot movement. herman cain is like ross perot, send me to washington, i'll drive everybody crazy and some people like that. he's got a little bit of tea party. we wonder how much is the int internet changing our politics. we all wonder when will all of the old rules mean nothing? >> when? right now. ask gadhafi -- by the way -- >> moammar come dof fi is not at the debate. he's not here. >> he's having a bad re-electye. barack obama last cycle went into states like north carolina and found ready-made organizations, people who organized because the structure is there now. so herman cain gets more time than you would think now, in today's world, to organize. and he can do it backwards. you don't have to do boots on the ground first. you can do media service, name i.d., then organizational. but i don't think i'm not ready yet is the slogan rick perry needs to tonight. >> mary, you made the point about governor romney having a ceiling, he's been in the race a long time. alex says maybe if you get to the

ross perot's suggestion that we use television as a form of a town meeting is another redefinition of what we once meant by town meeting. so one of the most interesting things about technology is that it redefines our language. it gives us different meanings of older words, and very often we're not quite as aware as we should be of how that process is working. c-span: good or bad? >> guest: well, in this book i mostly emphasize the bad part. i've done that in most of my books. but i admit happily at the beginning of the book that anyone who looks at technology as an either-or development -- that is, either all good or all bad -- is making a mistake. all technological change is what i call a faustian bargain. it gives you something, but it also taketh away something. now, in america -- and this is one of the reasons i thought i should write this book -- we tend to be extremely enthusiastic about technology, about what it is going to bring us, so that almost every american, in considering anything from lasers to computers to television, can tell you for a half hour or more what this new

ross perot didn't even get one electoral vote.country, elliott ackerman. welcome to you, good sir. >> thanks for having me. >> what is americans elect and how does your nominating process work? >> sure. we're basically inviting every american to participate in a convention where bipartisan ticket will come through. we're not a third party, a republican, democrat or independent can run on this. what we're doing is giving 50 states ballot access for another competition to have more choices for the american voter and it is all hosted at americans elect.org. >> folks go to the website. say michael bloomberg or let's say they decide that we have fallen back in love with ross perot, whoever. they go to the website, a grass roots movement can drive this candidate? >> exactly. it is an opportunity for folks to leverage social media and the internet so we can go about picking a president instead of having to pick a party like we do and everyone funneled through the republican party or democratic party. >> what about a platform? >> the plat

and again, if you look at the appeal of a ross perot, he did very well.lion votes in general election where he can pay to put himself on the ballot. herman cain can't do that. he's not on the ballot in many states. tennessee has zero impact on the nominating process so far down the road. >> right. >> why are you there? >> right. >> part of it is book signings and he's making money selling his book. he's lost some staffers. people resigned in iowa, in new hampshire. >> i did read a quote from somebody on his campaign saying we're doing the strategy that president obama did back in the general election which is running a national campaign and kind of shoring up long term. >> i don't think he can do that. >> obama went to south dakota which actually voted early and said why do you want those handful of delegates against hillary clinton turned out to be the right approach. he doesn't have the fund-raising. >> you're saying it's purely about selling books. >> it's not about being a president. maybe it's bad strategy. i don't want to read his mind. >> he doesn'

ross perot. when he looked at his watch. >> famous moment. >> fan this moment. okay. elected watch.re are all over me. nothing to do with issues, nothing to do with whatever. he said the interview with me, well, why were you looking letter was direct he said, well, i was looking at my watch because this thing is boring me, yeah, i was looking to see when this thing was going to be over. those kinds of things to the audience, you know, it leaves an impression. the language impression, but it is a body language impression rather than a spoken word impression. and so george h. w. bush, he thinks it's ridiculous to have so much riding on these two with 390 minute exchanges in a presidential debate. >> his son, as you point out in the book, feels exactly the opposite. >> the things is terrific. he and bill clinton said exactly the same thing in different words. they feel it makes them better, not only candid it's, but presidents because it forces them finally in those last few weeks before the election to be able not only to decide what they're really believe, but to be able to articulat

by the way, 1992, ross perot's people, they were pissed off. america as a whole is pretty damnpissed off right now, and they have absolutely no way of channeling this and funneling this except through avenues like this so we're seeing it. >> do you see a movement like this, mark, as a good -- as a valid positive harness for the rage. >> absolutely, and we're seeing it on a lot of fronts, dylan. you know, consumer confidence has dropped to the fourth lowest it's been since 1952, and that's a result not of the policies but the politics people see in washington. it's not even the outcome people are so upset about. it's the way that -- that our political establishment has become hostage to the politics and the politics has become hostage to the money and the money and influence that pervades washington so i think that there's something really dramatic going on. as jimmy said, there's shades of 1992 here except it's much deeper, and much broader and much angrier than it was in 1992 and we saw what happened then. i think this is -- it's a troubled ti

looking at the watch, according to bill clinton said if clinton had looked at his watch or ross perot who was the other candidate, nobody would have paid any attention to it. but because it was george w. bush and there was already this perception about it, it just seemed to feed the perception and that's why it hur. >> were there moems ever when you're unsure you're going to pull it off? i know there is one chapter where you write about sitting there looking at your prompter and there is nothing there. >> that's right. they had covered it with a piece of black cloth. so the background shot at the beginning when temperature candidates walked in you wouldn't see the prompter. it came through a slit. i looked up to say good evening and they were supposed to pull the sheet away ain and they didn't so all i saw was black. >> your opinions of a debate, do they really help the public make a good decision? >> absolutely they do. it is the only time, belva during a presidential campaign where the same candidates are on the same stage at the same time talking about something that matters. and y

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he sounded like steve forbes or ross perot and they went after him with a vengeance, and i thought rick santorum who is considered deep in the pack made a good point where he said how many in new hampshire want an increase of 9% in your sales tax where they don't even have a sales tax. >> 999, like you said, it came up a lot, because he's at the top of the pack right now. do you think voters are going to tire of this, and like one of the questioners, trying to poke holes in the plan? >> i think we'll find out where it registers, where all the contests are happening in the first month. if he gets no votes, he would have been a rhetorical musement. i thought an error competting and very shallow of a response when they pressed cain, who are your economic advisors. he came up with loury, who said he was from cleveland and it turned out he was from cleveland, texas. and couldn't come up with any other names. i don't think there's a lot of depth but his appeal is that he's never been elected to something, even though he's tried to be president. he lost the senate primary in georgia as well. h

gwen: herman cain reminds me of a cross between ross perot, the outcider, steve forbes, the flat tax, and -- >> and national chairman. gwen: and alan keyes who was a very good speaker. and really could capture crowds. does he have more than that? does he have money? does he have structure? >> it will be interesting to see going forward. because at this point, he doesn't -- he has virtually no campaign structure around him. in fact, he's had a whole bunch of his advisors who were with him at the beginning have since quit. he has relatively little money. and he doesn't do the kinds of things that you kind of have to do to get through the primary season. like getting your name on the ballot and other things. it will be very interesting to see whether this candidate has the organizational wherewithal to really push forward. >> does moving up the calendar, is there -- as that are talking about, help him or hurt him? who does that sort of hurt or help in terms of where they are at this point? >> i don't really know quite frankly who that hurts or helps. so many of these people like -- you l

bigger than ralph nader in 2000 and it wouldn't ross perot level in '92. >> it might hurt the republicansbsolutely. >> still in the game and wants the nomination. that is it for the panel. got to run. stay tuned to see if the president is thinking about let me tell you about a very important phone call i made. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you from paying up to thousands of dollars... out of your own pocket. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans... exclusively endorsed by aarp. when you call now, you'll get this free information kit... with all you need to enroll. put their trust in aarp medicare supplement insur

sit a cross between ross perot, putin and frank sinatra.women and football and he tells his voters what they want to hear. that doesn't make good government but he can collect votes. >> we have the charges of corruption, tax fraud, paying for sex with a minor. all of these things coming together and we have to ask how is it that he is able to survive? >> it is not easy to stay in front of an american camera and being italian nowadays because all you said is absolutely true. there was a larger than life character and people tend to forgive the rulers wherever they are. we want to check and see what you are doing. in italy they smile and say we like the leaders to take care of his own business. that is sad. i think sit a little childish in a democracy and brings problem. >> it is said that he hates rules. why? it looks like he is avoiding some of them, too. >> hinting that we may avoid them, too. believe me, in italy, it is something that you have to tell people. forgiving people for the sins we have committed and those we have not committed

>>neil: what i remember very clearly the ross perot example and that has been one to debate for the ages. did he hand the white house to bill clinton and deny george bush sr. re-election? what do you think? >>guest: the studies of that race are divided about the effect. personally, i think he did have a major impact in cutting loss millions of voters from george h.w. public, president bush in 1992. he made them available to bill clinton. by turning them off to george h.w. bush and he ended up getting 19 percent. he did better than any third party candidate in the 20th or 21st century but for roosevelt. >>neil: they do not is to score well nationally to inflict severe damage. ralph nader comes to mind with the 2000 presidential race? >>guest: great example. 3 percent of the vote for nader and he took just enough votes away from gore in new hampshire and just enough votes away from al gore in florida to allow george w. bush to win the presidency even though he lost the popular vote by 540,000 so the electoral vote is only thing that matters. >>neil: quickly, ron paul is not completely shut

bigger than ralph nader in 2000 and it wouldn't ross perot level in '92. >> it might hurt the republicans> still in the game and wants the nomination. that is it for the panel. got to run. stay tuned to see if the president is thinking about making changes to his cabinet. we're centurylink... a new kind of broadband company committed to providing honest, personal service from real people... 5-year price-lock guarantees... consistently fast speeds... and more ways to customize your technology. ♪ her morng begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lara who chose 2 aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. [ female announcer ] get money saving coupons at aleve.com. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from nat

question 5, in 1992, bush the elder, bill clinton, and ross perot did a series of three-way debates. want these young people up here to be able to start with nothing but an idea like i did and build a business. but they've got to have a strong basic economy. >> everybody is affected by the debt because of the tremendous interest that goes into paying on that debt, everything is more expensive. >> we all agree that there should be agreeing economy. what you have to decide is who has got the best economic plan. >> bill: he's talking about the same stuff now! it's amazing. >> incredible. >> bill: all right. bush was later criticized for appearing unfocused when he repeatedly looked at what during the debate? his notes? b, the ceiling, his watch, a loose thread on his jacket. what did he look at and looked distracted during the debate. come on, doocy. the answer is his watch. correct. so mccallum wins. very good. and that's michael from rochester, new york. he's going to get nice prizes. doocy, you let your co- state person down. >> you mean my mate? >> more about that later. >> bill: au

i guess since ross perot.'s doing very well in the process right now. >> msnbc political analyst steve schmidt, former senior adviser to the mccain 2008 campaign, thank you very much for joining me tonight, steve. >> you bet, lawrence. thank you. >>> coming up, why the political speeches of movie stars matter. to what happens at the box office. that's next. >>> a new poll looks at what the comments of movie stars have an effect on what matters most in hollywood, the box office numbers. the answer was as shocking as any hollywood movie ending. joining me now, janice min, editorial director of the "hollywood reporter," which commissioned the poll. this edition of the "hollywood reporter" is easy find on newsstands now because there's a picture of a highly recognizable star on that cover. who is that on that cover? janice min, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> rachel is now a hollywood star. cover of the "hollywood reporter." can't get higher than that. >> absolutely not. >> this is interes

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he's a bit of ross perot, some tea party appeal. what's in the water? your guy's running in the political climate. >> two things to take away from this. as i said there's a tremendous am of jaundice about politics, generally, today. and that permeates all -- on both sides i think you can sense that. people are very unhappy with washington, unhappy with the political system, because of the perception of gridlock in congress. and some of the positions taken there. but there's another takeaway, john, which is, we've had romney and an un-romney in a variety of iterations throughout the campaign. michele bachmann filled the role for a while. rick perry soared to the top, and when he came down to earth, cain took his place. romney sits there at 23%, 24% of the vote in all of these polls and the question is, why aren't they buying mitt romney? and i think it goes back to this question that we raised-year-old, that he raised himself last night with the unintended revealing comment, people don't know where his core is, they don't know what he believes and what p

for a third-party candidate, somebody who is outside the mainstream going back again to that 1992 ross perotng bill clinton get elected with 43% of the vote. i'm not sure that we see an individual like that right now, but there is a yearning for something other than what the two parties have offered. and we may see something bubble up. americans elect is a group that's trying to do that. that's another part of the story line. but i think we've seen the republican field. >> yeah, that group has gained a lot of traction online. many supporters. tim farley, thanks, as always, host of "morning briefing" on sirius radio. >>> it's a good bet most american woman wouldn't consider getting into a car with a stranger, but in one nation, some women say they're not afraid to hitch a ride. we'll explain. >>> first, take a box of doughnuts to work for your coworkers, open the door for a friend or pay a compliment to a complete stranger. that's because today is do something nice day. ah. there isn't much information on how this day started, but you really don't need a reason to take part, do you? i know. i

he reminds me of ross perot, thinks the rules maybe don't apply to him.ything about him, just the way he conducts himself that might have made somebody feel uncomfortable? >> look, i think that herman is starting to distill what happened and he says that he -- what he recollects is he said you're about the same size as my wife. look, at the end of the day, folks have said that this was inappropriate behavior. even in the disclosure there was not a charge of sexual harassment. it was one of making someone feel uncomfortable. be that as it may, ed is totall on me when he was guiding my campaigns. so that's -- this is -- you know, he's gotten a lot of points out of saying that he's not a politician. but at the end of the day, this is a political game, this is normal political fair, and you have to be ready for this sort of scrutiny of everything that you've said, any slip that you've made, and you have to be ready and -- you have to be ready for people to actually twist what you've said in the past. and i hope that he, in fact, puts it together. he has had a

ross perot ran in 1992. george h.w. bush lost his bid for reelection. bill:bill clinton won the presiy with 43% of the vote. do not forget ralph nay de nadeo didn't score very high in the 2000 election but it was enough to mess up the florida count. if nader had not been in florida, it's likely al gore would have won florida an the presidency. >> it seems they're in many ways the spoilers. >> exactly. they can't do anything but mischief. i don't think anyone can conceive of a third party candidate coming to win the presidency in 2012, but if you did have one, and it was a very close race between barack obama and the republican nominee, it's possible that they could take enougenough votes off one or the other to change the outcome. >> you know what's so interesting, i guess if someone's really powerful enough, you could throw it into the house of representatives, a real serious third party candidate. its hard to think of that happening, but it is theoretically and numerically possible to throw the race. >> absolutely. it's what probably should have happe