ross perot got almost 19%. almost 19% of the vote in the 1992 presidential election. and he was the leading candidate before he went wacko -- chris: certifiable. he said the north koreans were running across his front lawn. >> the frontrunner through much of the summer. and i don't think bill clinton would have won that race if perot had not been in it. chris: there is a protest mood out there where people may not want to choose between obama and mitt romney. they would rather say i voted for john anderson. i voted -- maybe not petraeus but somebody like that. before we break another zast russ week for herman cain with that interminable pause over the libya question. and that pause followed rick perry deeply fatal pause in the g.o.p. debate last week. saturday night live mixed empathy and ridicule. >> the three departments i cut, education, the commerce -- trying to think. but my brain is just going -- [laughter] it is hot. yeah. this jacket, get out of it real quick. come here. come here, come here. >> it's ok. >> it's all right. not going to be president, am i? >> n

bush, bill clinton and ross perot. it scared everybody so much, there hasn't been any repeat of that since where you just kind of went at it. >> host: do you write your own opening statements? do you have full editorial control over that? >> guest: full editorial control of opening statements, certainly full editorial control of all questions. nobody -- no questions are run by anybody, certainly nobody in the, that has anything to do with the candidates or whatever, not by the debate commission, not by anybody. it is -- the moderator clearly is holding dynamite in the his or her own hands. >> host: in "tension city" there's another player in the book. her name is kate. who is kate, and ha's her role in the debate? >> guest: kate is my wife, and because i've always been so spooked by the fact that if anybody got any advance word of what questions might be asked that would be terrific intelligence, i always lock down everybody, i just quit talking to anybody including staff of "newshour" about questions i'm working on ab

we have george bush, clinton and ross perot.ell us about ross perot and how he changed the dynamic. .. is if you're so out of hold you can it. with perot was fascinating for me not reading a of his peak as he came to determine not to attack. he was not going to attack clinton or bush under any circumstances. he was going to talk only about what his ideas were. and every time i tried to get him to criticize clinton, he wouldn't do it. he wouldn't take the bait. but he was very conscious of the rules come at very conscious the timing everyone's a while i was afraid he was going to say exxon and say and say hey, jan, you're not being fair and giving me enough time. i use body language to say it's going to be okay. can you not a minute here. everything will be fine and everything once. >> more tackling. >> or to claim one of those with half -- the first 45 minutes of the most difficult 45 minutes for short as 45 minutes of my life. and there were no fools. we are experimenting. they were experimenting. the candidates agree. so the f

let's remember ross perot made bill clinton a deficit reducer. ask bob ruben.nt. he wanted 20% come and he was nuts lee. [laughter] at the end he thought little black helicopters were chasing him. but his agenda, his agenda linked up where the center of the country was and it had a huge effect and that's why the two things we would tell you about a third party if one were to emerge, one is that candidate, he or she, would not win, and the other is, we believe, if he or she had this agenda they would have a bigger impact on the country's future than the person that does. because the only way to break out of this paralysis is why changing the incentives. all these politicians today they are not stupid. they are clearly operating on a different set of incentives and we are. so i would say we are having an economic crisis and the are having an election coming and the two barely overlap. so it's like they are in a parallel universe operating to different incentives as michael says set by special interests, money in politics. the only way to change that is to change

republican primaries, you have to be able to spend a messive amount of money and not notice it like ross perotthreat out there. >> lawrence o'donnell, thank you for joining us in the now bullpen as always, lawrence will have the last word at 10:00 p.m. here on msnbc. thanks a lot. lawrence. ♪ it's true. you never forget your first subaru. this season's hottest games and...sweatbands. ♪ boom, boom, boom, gotta get-get ♪ ♪ boom, boom, boom, gotta get-get ♪ ♪ boom, boom, boom, gotta get-get ♪ ♪ boom, boom, boom it's like looking into the sun. ♪ boom, boom, boom we're rocking the beat, kids! wow. [ male announcer ] get low prices on this season's hottest games. like the black eyed peas experience for kinect for xbox 360. rated t for teen. backed by our christmas price guarantee. save money. live better. walmart. backed by our christmas price guarantee. edhechit ♪ backed by our christmas price guarantee. >>> now it's time for my post script. if alabama if you'd like to get a flu shot or register your dog or have your trash collected, you may be required to show proof of citizenship. this is not bec

secondly, we had a jug-eared fellow named ross perot that you may or may not have heard of, and he took 19% of the vote. clinton got 43%. bush got 38% and perot got 19%. perot was taking two of three votes from us. dd toake 2/3 of 19 and a 38, we have 51. when people say, he did not cost as the election, i will say he thought he did. i thought he did for 20 years and i still think he did. the third thing was our fault, absolutely. that is, instead of going up to capitol hill in january, 1992, when president bush 41 was at 90% approval rating and saying, the desert storm was a great success. now we are going to do domestic storm. and i am going to focus on the domestic problems facing this country, and here is an economic program. if we had done that, i think we might have won that election notwithstanding perot. but we did not do that, and that was a mistake. >> let's talk about another election. this is the one in 2000 with a vote recount. we have two questions -- what are the common misperceptions about the events surrounding a recount? and another. could you discuss it? >> i can disc

when ross perot ran for president in 1996, his campaign song was what country music hit recorded by the great patsy cline? was it crazy, sweet dreams, walking after midnight, which you're hearing, or your cheatin' heart. >> that wouldn't be good. >> still crazy would be the worst one. the answer is coming up later. don't go away. ♪ after midnight searching for you ♪ . >>> 9:24. welcome back. the fate of dr. conrad murray lies in the hands of a jury. >> deliberations will begin in a few hours. marianne rafferty has more. >> the evidence in this case is abundantly clear that conrad murray acted with criminal negligence, that conrad murray caused the death of michael jackson. >> for a crime to be proved, you also have to show that dr. murray, the prosecution has to show that dr. murray actually killed michael jackson. >> reporter: after almost six weeks of testimony, attorneys on both sides have made their last ditch efforts before the jury headed into deliberations. jurors must now determine if dr. murray is guilty of involuntary manslaughter. >> that's why the prosecution had to emphasiz

ross perot is nowhere in november. in 1991, he came out of nowhere. early in '92.'t know if somebody can run. this is not a bad, they're not bad contrasts for any ross perot type of third party. >> bret: are you fishing here? >> i'm not for it. just being analytical. >> looking for a vehicle for paul ryan. >> 2010 elections were about the recession, which point backdrop, formed a backdrop of the campaign. the general satisfaction of circumstances like that produce. if you are looking for a single issue, they were about spending and the deficit. now, did the republicans who pledged to try to do something about it when they came to washington disappoint their constituency in the answer has to be in terms of achievement, probably so. in terms of effort, perhaps not. i'm not at all sure that the failure of this super committee and the whole effort to try to do something serious and major about deficit of spending will help the democrats this time. i think the republicans may be able to come through this in reasonably good shape with voters that sent them here. >> bret:

ross perot.he most frustrating thing about that election was the media telling us -- we cannot entertain the idea of men and dependent run for anybody. i think ron paul is a great candidate. he is my favorite right now, but i do not think he wants to make public his real thoughts. if he were to run and win a two- person race, they will not have a 50% of the vote. that means the person that wins is not the person that the majority of america wanted to be president. we have to change the system. get out of the republican and democratic hands and make run off voting so that each voter goes into the booth with his birth, second, third, and fourth choices for president and the worst vote gets taken off during the accounting until it is down to two people. then the third independent candidate has been validated to be better than all the others by the runoff system. it is no longer a case like with jesse ventura in minnesota that he won -- i believed it was 39% of the vote -- the 61% of the voters in mi

ran, bill clinton won kentucky twice not because he was that popular but because ross perot took away republican votes. >>neil: for point i forgot about that. not trying to start a family fight here. wish you had an inside tip on today's rally, forget a broker, call your congressman? joe says that has to go. ♪ ♪ ♪ when your chain of supply ♪ goes fr here to shanghai, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ chips from here, boards from there ♪ ♪ track it all through the air, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ clearing customs like that ♪ hurry up no time flat that's logistics. ♪ ♪ all new technology ups brings to me, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ congratulations. congralations. today, the city of charlotte can use verizon technology to inspire binesses to conserve energy and monitor costs. making communities greener... congratulations. ... and buildings as valuable to the bottom line... whoa ! ... as the people inside them. congratulations. because when you add verizon to your company, you don't just add, you multiply. ♪ discover something new... verizon. >>neil: everyone is make money, but how do you make money? how do y

will there be another ross perot of some kind. elect usa, we'vegot this on-line under way whether they can encourage someone to step up on to the stage and take their place. >> charlie: because they had already done the ground work in terms of getting on the ballot. >> that's right. and we'll see whether that works out. they're very encouraged by what they're doing. i don't know. i really do believe that politics ultimately comes down to someone. it's not just a process but it's really -- >> charlie: but it's someone also with an idea. it's someone with an idea and a narrative. >> and an ability to sell i whatever else with a he thought about ross perot he made his no as a salesman and he had it going for a while and it kind of ran off the track. he still got almost 20% of the vote if you stop and think about it. >> charlie: the out pouring and respoask appreciation with steve jobs that came with his death and the publication of isaacson's would be says what. >> it says there's a large conjugation of worshipers of steve jobs. i am

host: if you brought the name ross perot. he is one of 14 contenders we're featuring every friday evening. this week we will turn our attention to george wallace. next week, and george mcgovern, and the series will wrap up with our look at ross perot. we hope you tune in every evening -- every friday evening, or check it out online at c- span.org. this twitter comment -- guest: we are currently benefiting from the instability in europe. we are a temporary safe haven, and that is the reason interest on our debt is so low. people are trying to preserve principal. as we have seen in greece, italy, portugal, and elsewhere, once you lose confidence of investors, things could change quickly. once you lose that, interest rates go up dramatically. it forces you to do dramatic and draconian things on both the spending and tax side. when you recognize the united states is 28 out of 34 countries in fiscal responsibility and responsibility -- italy is 27, mexico is 18 -- if we do not take steps to demonstrate to the markets and the ameri

host: if you brought the name ross perot.ers we're featuring every friday evening. this week we will turn our attention to george wallace. next week, and george mcgovern, and the series will wrap up with our look at ross perot. we hope you tune in every evening -- every friday evening, or check it out online at c-span.org. this twitter comment -- guest: we are currently benefiting from the instability in europe. we are a temporary safe haven, and that is the reason interest on our debt is so low. people are trying to preserve principal. as we have seen in greece, italy, portugal, and elsewhere, once you lose confidence of investors, things could change quickly. once you lose that, interest rates go up dramatically. it forces you to do dramatic and draconian things on both the spending and tax side. when you recognize the united states is 28 out of 34 countries in fiscal responsibility and responsibility -- italy is 27, mexico is 18 -- if we do not take steps to demonstrate to the markets and the american people will put our f

who, you know, certainly -- not ross perot.t do you think? >> well, i think the dream ticket for democrats would be sarah palin and donald trump. that's what we're hoping for. and then i think the fascinating ticket would be george clooney and michael bloomberg. you would have two guys from the top 1% who can make a case that they could fight on behalf of the 99%. >> right. but how likely is it? >> i would say -- i would agree with what goldy says. unlikely any of them make a move for it right now. >> chris? >> yeah. absolutely. i agree. there's nobody who's going to fill that spot. i mean, independent candidates are just not going to do it. i think, you know, for republicans, the dream candidate would be, oh, i don't know, russ fi finegold of wisconsin. >> this is the field then. now 20 seconds each. nothing says thanksgiving like a charlie brown special but jimmy kimmel gives it a political twist. watch. >> mitt, you hired illegals. in your home and you knew about it for a year and the idea that you stand here before us and t

we saw teddy roosevelt masoud george wallace with the agenda 1968 and ross perot 1992.emember, he builds -- to build a the deficit reducer. 40% of the vote at one point*. he won a 20% and he was not so. [laughter] -- crazy at the nt that little black helicopters were chasing him. [laughter] but his agenda, his agenda linked up to the center of the country and it had a huge effect. that is why there are two things we would tell you about a third party if one were to be merged. one is that candidate, he or she would not win but if they had this agenda, there have a bigger impact on the country's future than the person who does. because the only way to break out of the paralysis his by changing incentives they are not stupid, most of them at least, they are clearly operating on a different set of incentives than we are. they are having the election and they overlap. it is like they're in a parallel universe operating to differ incentives with money and politics, the media, , etc.. the only way to change that is the incentive is. move the cheese then you will move the mouse

and the time ross perot's running mate literally tuned out. >> no, i didn't have my hearing aid turned on. tell me again. >> reporter: but the odd thing about this one -- >> the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> reporter: is that the agency that he meant to say -- >> energy, energy, energy. >> reporter: is one that he often talks about eliminating. perry is also going on late-night television tonight in an effort to show that he can poke fun at himself. his top advisers point out he's raised more money by far than any of the other candidates than mitt romney. he does have the resources to mount a comeback. >> okay, thank you, jon. >>> and we wondered if memory freezes ever happen to you under pressure, and in a minute, we're going to tell you what the experts say about why. >>> and tonight, there is a request for calm on the campus of penn state, after loyal students erupted in outrage over the firing of joe paterno, their legendary football coach. who, by the way, was fired over the phone, after 45 years at the help, because that sexual abuse scandal involving eight young boys and o

of, and he took -- ross perot took 19% of the vote. clinton got 43%. bush got 38%. perot got 19%. our polling showed us that perot was taking two of every three of his votes from a spirit take 2/3 of 19 and add it to 38, and we had 51 people and when people say he did not cross the election, i just said that i think he did. i will say it again. i thought he did for 20 years, and i still think he did. the third thing was our fault. absolutely. that is, instead of going up to capitol hill in january of 1992, when president bush 41 was at 90% approval rating and saying that desert storm was a great success, now we're going to do domestic storm and focus on the domestic problems facing this country, and here is an economic program that is going to get that done -- if we had done that, i think we might have won that election notwithstanding ross perot, but we did not do that, and that was a mistake. >> let's talk about another election, and this is the one in 2000 with the vote recount. we have two questions about the common misperceptions a

we had ross perot, who was an independent businessman who got a few votes. the history of this country is of the thirdk surge party was in 1912 when teddy roosevelt challenged william howard taft. all it did was pave the way for a democrat to get in. that is what some people fear, too. the tea party is a strong voice in the republican party. some people in that group have said, if we do not like the republican candidate, we will have a third one. republicans, including gingrich, argue that if you have three choices and you go for the third party, you are really electing president obama. third parties do not happen because it takes too much money. i think it is a shame. host: we have some comments from newt gingrich during an interview with the union leader. it happened on november 18. he talks about his prospects for beating president obama. we will show that and come back for some comments. >> i can vote to beat obama or i can voted to the left obama. there would be less tendency to have a third party this year than at any time in the third times because of

>> remember this, ross perot got 18% of the vote and he imploded. he totally embodied.4% and 35%, he was actually leading so i absolutely believe in the third party, the right person and it would have to be probably a very rich person because, you know, third parties don't raise lots of money because there's not enough time to do it and a lot of other reasons but i think the right person could absolutely at least come close to winning and maybe win. it's not going to be easy. a third party is very, very tough. now, depending on who the person is, they either kill or kill the republicans or the democrats. so we'll see what happens. i mean, you could look at some of the election, president clinton who is a friend of mine got very lucky with what happened with ross perot. let's not kid ourselves. >> because bush 41 was probably heading towards re-election. >> that's right. absolutely. you know, clinton won with, he ended up winning the election. that's pretty tough stuff. >> pardon me, donald, but you have talked in the past on this program about running for president perh

. >> guest: the united states was in touch shape in 1992 when ross perot ran for president. he did not win, but he helped to set the agenda during the clinton administration and we made great progress. we had a divided congress for that period of time. we make great progress in the early 90s to 2000. the last 11 years have been by far the most fiscally irresponsible in the history of united states. we've had a congress controlled by both parties at different points in time and without a white house controlled by both parties at different points in time and they are both to blame. government has grown today, promise too much can i waited too long to restructure. yes, we need to recapture revenues from the bush up on the cuts. but we need to do with her to mattock and fundamental tax reform, not going back to the old system. we need to broaden the base, reduce the top marginal tax rate, lemonade difference between capital gains and ordinary income and do a number of things to help to promote growth that creates more equity within the tax system while keeping us can have it is

he reminds me a lot of ten years ago i was ross perot's campaign manager for a brief period of time.perot blamed everything on the media as opposed to himself. he was an unconventional candidate and pretty much self-destructed in the course of his candidacy. the media is a very important part of this process. it's the eyes of the american public. you may not always like what they do or what you do. at the end of the day you have to deal with it. otherwise you lock yourself in a closet and do nothing but commercials on television. that's not a successful strategy. >> schieffer: ken blackwell you're a perryman and have been for a long timing. you go way back with him. at one point he blamed it all on rick perry said it had been leaked by the perry campaign, named names and all of that. i think then his campaign manager backed away from that a little bit. first i'll give you a chance to say it was not rick perry if that's what you believe. >> it wasn't rick perry. i think the cain campaign has started to walk back from that accusation. it was a shame that he started to point fingers at

the facts with nafta going back with clinton remember he promised the same thing we heard from ross perot the great sucking sound of jobs leaving the nation look where the quality of life is gone look at the real income levels since one thousand nine hundred ninety four to two thousand and eleven it's been a steady downward slide it's a big lie all you look at the numbers the politicians law either numbers don't it doesn't create jobs it loses jobs the only jobs it's created or you want to be a clerk at a retail store or a care is sheer then there's a job for you all right so listen for the sucking sound if this free trade agreement does get signed is the take away from that speaking of politicians i'm really curious your your insight into this because the keystone pipeline which would bring tar sands oil from canada down it through the united states obama has stalled that and it's something that is touted as a win for environmentalist who are scared about oil spills among other things i'm curious why for example the keystone pipeline has been stalled but you have fracking hydraulic fract

tonight, ross perot, tonight, it's your turn. come out here. mary eisenhower. she is here with you. mary eisenhower, ladies and gentlemen. >> mary, it's a pleasure to see you, mary. >> pleasure to see you, too. >> bob? >> governor. >> mary received this honor for her grandfather president eisenhower. >> that is beautiful. >> show it to the camera. this is the first of its kind minted by franklin mint. bob, there is something you would like to read on that. >> yes. >> i will do my best, tony. tony, orlando, yellow ribbon medal of freedom presented to governor mike huckabee. on this veterans day, november 11th, 2011, in honor of service to your country, supporting our troops and veterans, patriotism and valor and for being a national voice of reason and standing strong for the values set forth by our founding fathers and for the constitution of the united states of america. [cheers and applause] >> mike: thank you very much. >> would you mind? being that you are the granddaughter of one of our greatest presidents, would you mind pu

host: you brought up the name of ross perot.ontenders that c-span is featuring each weekend. this week we will turn our attention to george wallace, the former governor of alabama. next week, and george mcgovern. the series will wrap up with our look at ross perot. we hope you'll tune in every friday evening at 8:00. thus, -- guest: we are currently benefiting from the instability in europe. we are a temporary safe haven and that is the reason our interest on our debt is so low right now. people are trying to preserve principal. as we have seen in greece, italy, portugal, and elsewhere, once you lose confidence of investors, things can change quickly. once you lose that, interest rates go up dramatically. it forces you to do dramatic and draconian things on both the spending side and the tax side. in my view, when you recognize that the united states is #28 at of 34 countries in the world in fiscal responsibility, italy is 27, mexico is 18. the fact is, if we do not start making tangible steps to demonstrate to the markets and t

and the time ross perot's running mate literally tuned out. >> no, i didn't have my hearing aid turned on. tell me again. >> reporter: but the odd thing about this one -- >> the third one, i can't. sorry. oops. >> reporter: is that the agency that he meant to say -- >> energy, energy, energy. >> reporter: is one that he often talks about eliminating. perry is also going on late-night television tonight in an effort to show that he can poke fun at himself. his top advisers point out he's raised more money by far than any of the other candidates than mitt romney. he does have the resources to mount a comeback. >> okay, thank you, jon. >>> and we wondered if memory freezes ever happen to you under pressure, and in a minute, we're going to tell you what the experts say about why. >>> and tonight, there is a request for calm on the campus of penn state, after loyal students erupted in outrage over the firing of joe paterno, their legendary football coach. who, by the way, was fired over the phone, after 45 years at the help, because that sexual abuse scandal involving eight young boys and o

>>neil: not really, ross perot drew more from george bush than bill clinton and we could differ on thaterent studies but i will go with mine. the other is that ralph nader did not really garner much attention nationally in the states that mattered like florida he took just enough to deny al gore the victory. could you torpedo it for enough the republican guys who you want to debate and then hand it to president obama for a second term? >>guest: well, why think is. i do think it is a message and it is about less spending and a message of equality and both share if the blame where we are. that everything is for sale and it is for sale from a political standpoint. the more you contribute, the more tax breaks you build into the system. look we should talk about balancing the federal government and i think we should be talking about enacting a fair tax where at baits it is what the name implies: fair. the more money you make, the more you pay. the notion of foreign competitiveness abroad, the fact that our goods and services costs 23 percent less, doesn't that go a long way toward the whole