it to clinton there's others who say ross perot you know would have you know clinton would have won bigger had ross perot not been there or whatever you know that if he helped clinton or bush but ralph nader you know maybe took away votes from al gore he did say takes up but you know i don't think he had anything to do with the election being one of the last but any at will johnson make a meaningful done in this election and should romney be worried lauchlan i don't think so you know in virtually any other election i'd say it's possible because the american people just don't seem to like either political party i'd say you know going with the third party option might be something that would appeal to them but i think unlike a lot of prior elections ninety two being one of them you know there's a very very distinct choice of direction that the two candidates are offering right now yeah so so i think that you know but jetson there's this huge faction or that you're the tea party right there's this huge faction in the republican party the all these tea partiers who came in and a lot of

, who you write about today saying the man has finally met his moment, ross perot 2012. guest: there was tongue in cheek in this. ross perot is 82 years old, he is not going to run for president again but i spent a fair amount of time in the book trying to sort of construct the perfect third party candidate, you know, jon huntsman's good looks, michael bloomberg's willing to speak truth to power, take pieces like the $6 million man and connect them together and as i was writing, i was thinking you know what, there is someone for all of his flaws, his message wise and his persona, a perfect fit for this election, and it's ross perot. go back and watch, and i said to folks, thanks to the c-span video library, quick plug, with the most amazing -- was the most amazing tool that i found for a political junkie like myself to harvest these things. you can watch, type ross perot in and watch the whole 30 minute, yes, not 302nd, infomercials in which he kind of bought network ad tile and talked about his polices. sure they're hoy and he has the voodoo stick he points at things, y

issue and i don't think it's gone away and i think the first political party that starts taking ross perot's position is not going to lose elections for a generation and your thoughts on a highly doubt it's going to be one of the two political parties we have now i mean look at the two presidents presidential candidates and look at the last democratic president we had bill clinton i mean to policies that he would have to then captain shaft need we say more direct in this is a bipartisan tradition for the last few decades so what what breaks an. economic collapse of the popular movement of some kind i mean you know the tea party. you know you talk to those folks they are middle america especially parts of the country that i'm from there is a great about jobs going abroad jobs being eliminated here and shipped there are sitting next to a tea party guy and i would say that we're angry about government spending the fact that our government has spent sixteen trillion dollars more than it has the fact that we are running one point three trillion dollars in debt every year wasting money that we're

, who you write about today saying the maybe has finally met his moment, ross perot. guest: there was a little tongue in cheek. ross perot is 82 years old, he's not going to run for president again, but i would say, i spent a fair amount of time in the book trying to sort of construct the perfect third party candidate. jon huntsman's good looks, michael bloomberg's willsness to speak truth to power, the million dollars man, take pieces and connect them together and as i was writing, i thought you know what, there is won with all his flaws, message wise, persona, are a perfect fit for this legs and it's ross perot. go back and watch, and i said to folks thanks to the c span video library, quick plug, with the most a was the most amazing tool for a political junkie to harvest these old things. you can type ross perot in and you can watch his old 30 minute y, not 302nd, 30 minute -- not 30 seconds, 30 minute infomercials in which he bought network ad time and explained his polices. sure they're hoy and he uses a voo do stick, and you've got to watch it to find it. what h

sucking sound to the south and what twenty percent of americans went with ross perot even though as vice presidential candidate was like who am i why am i here it seems that anybody who had been in any kind of major corporate position in america over the last few decades since this major turn american foreign policy or trade policy would be stuck with the same problem romney is is this you know what are your thoughts on that is this a fair hit on him. i think it's a fair handle of him but there are fair hits he can make on obama also there's an irony here because romney's response is to talk about trumped up accusations for example it's a linda the substantive charge you can make against obama on trade would be to hit him from the left to head humid for example the trans-pacific partnership which is potentially nafta on steroids could become a permanent global trade deal or to hit him on the people who are on his jobs council like g.e. a major outsourcing offshoring company romney hasn't been doing that because it romney has his own constraints that that stopped him from coming afte

, who you write about today saying the maybe has finally met his moment, ross perot. guest: there was a little tongue in cheek. ross perot is 82 years old, he's not going to run for president again, but i would say, i spent a fair amount of time in the book trying to sort of construct the perfect third party candidate. jon huntsman's good looks, michael bloomberg's willsness to speak truth to power, the million dollars man, take pieces and connect them together and as i was writing, i thought you know what, there is won with all his flaws, message wise, persona, are a perfect fit for this legs and it's ross perot. go back and watch, and i said to folks thanks to the c-span video library, quick plug, with the most a-- was the most amazing tool for a political junkie to harvest these old things. you can type ross perot in and you can watch his old 30 minute --y, not 302nd, 30 minute infomercials in which he bought network ad time and explained his polices. sure they're hoy and he uses a voo do stick, and you've got to watch it to find it. what he talks about is how bad

i think about what fred said about this transformation with ross perot had 20 million votes. that shook up the establishment. 20 million americans voted in this fashion and jesse ventura got elected governor. it was a defection. because he wasn't supposed to be governor. i think about obama in that way too. really the cultural thing that happened was that an african-american was elected president of the united states and that was the change. i would like to know your comments on this. you both have eloquently addressed the whole bipartisan gridlock and the whole choke hold on the system of american parties by the two-party system. could you address further what like that cultural impact would be based on what we have seen from perot, jesse ventura and now obama. >>>. >> i appreciate your question. a couple of things i would say, is that i think that one of the effects of that very dramatic event that took place, that cultural turning point or historic turning point in the country is that what you then saw subsequently was the extraordinary resistance of the existing instituti

ross perot. he said the president is an employee. if we don't like our employee, we should be able to fire him. if you have the bans and the photographs of the extraordinary secret service details, the cult of the presidency, it gets much harder to view the president as employee and it becomes in a civil religion sense sack ra religionous to say we would be well rid of because he's not up to the job. it's dangerous to wait till the next election. in that sense i would like a parliamentary system. that's one of the reasons i want a constitutional convention in order to have systematic discussions about what 21st constitution should look like. >> i'm not the most unrealistic person on the panel. i knew the same was going to happen. >> here is something else that's not so likely to happen. it may or may not be possible for a pot president to say less. that function can more readily be performed by political party that doesn't have the imperial overtones that come with the presidency. you're going to have a presidency that will be more p

ross perot when he was running for the presidency. he said he's an employee, and if we don't like our employee we should be able to fire him and if you have the photographses of the extraordinary secret service details the presidency and it gets much harder to view the president as an employee and it becomes, in a civil religion sense, sacrilegious to say this is someone we would get rid of because in the future he or she isn't up to the job and it would be dangerous to the next election. so in thatness is, i would like a somewhat more parliamentary system, but i don't know that you have to go all of the way, and that's one of the reasons why i want a constitutional convention in order to have systematic discussions about what the 21st century should look like. >> on having a constitutional convention. >> i'm not the most unrealistic person on the panel. i mean, come on! >> here's something else that's not so likely to happen. it may or may not be possible for a president just to say less, and the political party can and political par

in presidential politics and you know correct me if i'm just way off base on this was when when ross perot addressed to address the end of one thousand nine hundred two and he took a world of grief for that. well it's a term you hear i was been raised in the south all ma live in it's a demeaning term it's a term that she hear in the south but you certainly don't expect to hear it from the wife of the person who wants to be present united states and i think what it does is it just shows that you know i hate to use the term out of touch is way over used in this i think what it shows is that it's a divide and it's a separation between the reality of what most of us on the street regard as kind of common sense and what the romney campaign seems to can't grasp and that is they simply do have a disconnect with what the rest of america understands and says that even in their in their everyday language it certainly seems so i mean is sometimes the things the slip mean when a deal for audience looks like what do you make of the salon story about bain's investment in a for profit health company that

basically help themselves to our resources this is all ratcheted up to a completely new level and ross perot was right on this who's writing this and why is it that members of congress who you know we'll directly elect i mean this is the closest to our representatives why is it that they were excluded from drafting in crafting that the tea people. well that has been revealed by a few a few reports the agreements have been negotiated are being drafted or been drafted for two years under extreme secrecy but now that these documents have been leaked it's very plain to see why that secrecy was maintained because the provisions are so extreme so radical in terms of their basically abolishing a lot of the rights that u.s. citizens have to protect themselves from the agreed just behavior of corporations multinational corporations that had this information been out there in the public sphere right from the beginning of these negotiations i don't think they would have gotten this far in the public had way too much blowback i am with you i'm sorry we're we just have a little less than a minute left ve

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ross perot was the keynote speaker. he talked about leadership lessons from his life in business and military service. this is 50 minutes. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> ladies and gentlemen, a man of integrity. he has continued to serve our nation. he has received many distinct honors, the highest civilian honor bestowed upon the department of defense. please join me in welcoming mr. ross perot. [applause] of you -- it is an honor to be with all of you. he is an incredible man. he cannot be with us here today problems. he is an oklahoma cowboy. he was selected by the air force to retrace lindbergh's route after world war ii. that was a pretty good trip. he was an ace in korea. general macarthur set the combat up. robbie had more fuel. china's ace had to go back north. he decided he would shoot him down in front of his own troops. just think about that. that will be the ultimate loss of face. i just define the warriors spirit and that i

and you know and you can see how ross perot i mean you know there was that sense of it in ninety two people saw it you know twenty percent of one basically just on that well we'll have more conversations with great minds of world war. wealthy british style. pastime. markets why not come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max conjure for a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into cars a report on our. welcome back to conversations with great minds with lori wallach has been director of public citizens global trade watch division for nearly twenty years she's also the author of numerous articles and books including her most recent book whose trade organization let's get back to it laura we have a you know we were talking about the gap the general going to tariffs and trade the b.t.o. nafta all that you know this whole history of trade agreements there's a new one that this administration and i'm assuming that the bush administration before it has been negotiating in secret called the trans-pacific partnership first of all we've got a

this is this happened ross perot said this to the ninety two to anyone with less money than her husband you poor people you know who do nails and hair as one of her wealthy donors did recently to the people who are not the wives of mormon bishops who get their own planet when they die which which of the people was it michel you know it was probably that she probably meant black people because she was waiting until an interview with robin roberts to come out as a racist that probably was the answer so i'll say she does just that we suspect it's probably it was is probably you know anyone who is just not within our wealth class you know and that's i got i think she generally meant the electorate the people generally but she's dead wrong the people get to decide what they need to know about their game and it's not her nicole michael thank you very much things. after the break with the world's population exploding many argue that we all need to rely more and more on genetically modified foods in order to survive the future that are genetically modified food safe for eating and safe for the

the independent, ross perot and governor bill clinton the democratic nominee.and i will be the moderator for the debate which is coming to you from the campus of the university of richmond, in richmond, virginia. >> jennifer: as she said, that was abc ankle anchor woman carole simpson. 20 years ago. tonight we are honored to have carole simpson inside "the war room" via skype. not only was she the first woman to moderate a presidential debate. she was also the first african-american woman to angel arrest major network television newscast. she's coming tonight from martha's vineyard. welcome. >> thank you very much. governor, may i call you jennifer. >> jennifer: of course you may i insist. it's great to have you on. so are you as disappointed as i am that there has not been a female moderator of a presidential debate since 1992? >> i am horribly disappointed. and i didn't realize it until i was asked in a radio interview you know, why hasn't there been a woman in 20 years. the political junkie that i am, i've been watching all of the debates and watching all th

remember ross perot and "you people." that became the story. here he goes before.started with regard to obama cave, he didn't back down. to me, that was impressive. he explained his position. he explained it in terms of jobs and the economics. i think that he might have won some people at least their respect if not their vote. i would add here he also, i think, again spoke to critical issue when he talked about core quality education in the black community. and why is it that people don't hold president obama accountable an don't put more pressure on him. this goes back to what we are talking about in the first segment with the relationship between democrats and the union. >> bret: president obama is not addressing the convention. vice president biden is. it's win-win. >> same share that david duke got running for governor of louisiana. he has nothing to lose and nothing to be but go throughout and be respectful and speak out against obamacare. that reinforces his position back with his own constituency. juan's point is well taken. 14% unemployment in the black com

is quite possibly he could see the emergence of a third congressional party, not ralph nader and ross perot running for president. that is a nonstarter, but in the congress where there are competitive districts you could have 50 candidates running a very specific objective and the constitutional amendment big infrastructure program changing the tax system deficit reduction very specifically. and those 50 people if they ran in 21, those 21 would be operating at the power of the united states congress and we would begin to ma trades. those are the only things we want to get done and if you want our vote for the communications bill for this amendment, are you committed to the constitutional amendment? and then you find potentially that group able to shake up the system and bring some people back to their senses. the other option is the following. president obama is reelected. we have a big train wreck about to happen on january 1st if there is no deficit reduction its automatic cuts on domestic and defense and taxes back to the old rates will and back on social security. so, this is a critical

ross perot was even taken down in nashville. here's what's crazy about what he said. when he was introduced, he was white when he walked across the stage and got applause. and he was white when he finished and got a standing ovation. what bothers me is how hypocritical the other side is. nobody yesterday or today accused rush limbaugh of playing the race card. if that had been the two of us on our radio show or your tv show also, we would have gotten e-mails, facebook comments, tweets and everything else saying we were playing the race card. this man not only plays the race card, he sits there and shuffles the deck and then tries to somehow suggest that the speech was over everybody's head. not recognizing that these are intelligent leaders in the communities. these aren't just delegates who are coming there for a vacation. these people are leaders wsh ministers, educated. once again it's rush limbaugh at his worst playing the race card. you know what? i'm glad he said it, but here's the other final thing. not one republican leader has denounced once again anything th

ross perot was right. people want jobs and prosperity. americans deserve better than when we are getting. >> eric: which party will give us the jobs? >> neither. >> eric: neither. wow. >> neither. neither. really, when i say there is no difference, there is no appreciable difference. certainly there are rhetorical differences. but that's why you have more and more independents in america. we are growing, growing, growing because we need some real answers. you need people to go baft their ideological divide and their party affiliations and resolve the problems. >> eric: do you think that can really happen? >> it's going to happen. watch it. >> eric: matt, do you think it will. >> i think it will under president romney. >> oh, matt! >> an republican congress. we need the free market to get back to work. we really do. >> eric: thanks so much. fascinating. great morning. >> have a good one. give jamie my love. >> jamie: thank you. it's a big expense for parents. when have you to send your child to college and if you have more than one. what i

this, this language, you people, i think it was ross perot that made that mistake. it always shows an us you mentality and it's very, very impolitic. secondly, it looks as if they still do not, three weeks into this debate, they still do not have a good or compelling answer and clearly, the reason you have investments in the cayman islands, swiss bank accounts, is to gain is system. brush up right against the edge of the law in tax avoidance. so, i think again, this again shows that the brilliance of the obama administration showing the very soft underbelly of the romney campaign, going after their credibility. showing it's not a campaign that's quite ready for prime time yet and showing you unvetted he has. i disagree with "the new york times" poll. obama still has the edge. if you look at what's happening in the battleground states, there is a 3% roughly increase in the minority vote since the 2008 election. if you look at the last 50 polls, about 38 to 40 of them in the battleground states show that obama is ahead. he is doing better on the enthusiasm question. s

>> it smacks of ross perot some years ago referring to black people as you people.asing by saying i want to earn your respect. the next day, he's referring to them as "they." if they want this, if they want that. here's the problem. whether obama or romney. one of them -- how might i put this? one of them is so cautious that he can't lead because he's afraid of losing. the other is so calculating that he can't lead because he's afraid of not winning. and that's the real problem with it. nobody -- everybody is trying to score points here. and so your question you asked of dr. west a moment ago may be born out by what he had to say today. maybe you're right. >> final question for you, cornell west. despite all this, do you believe barack obama has earned the right to have a second term? maybe he has learned some lessons about leadership and how to take on the republicans? >> i think given the narrowness of the political system and the truncated options that most americans have, there's no doubt that obama is better than romney. as i said before, catastrophe, your hous

is your goal here to act as a spoiler of sorts looking back to the ross perot era, 20 years ago and tryingotes from president obama or mitt romney. >> the goal is to actually win and offer a third choice and that third choice is the candidate who will promise to submit a balanced budget to congress. that would be me. look, i'm the guy when it comes to civil liberties, i'm the guy who wants to end our military interventions. i think that's a clear third choice. so alex, i'm in this to win and i'm heartened by the fact with our fractions of a penny relative to their dollars, you know what, this is turning out to be credible. i think it will turn out to be credible. >> okay and i'm glad to hear you say that. it doesn't surprise me as i've gotten to know you over the past months talking about this. how disheartened are you that people like me come in and state what may be on the minds of many, that this is a third party candidate but that you don't have a shot at winning? >> not disheartened at all. for you to say anything other than you have no shot at winning, you would be looking at history

with, if you had your druggers, would you vote for this person, whether beyond anderson in 1988, ross perotople say i would vote for him but why think he had a chance and george wallace picked up a lot of votes and gave that election to richard nixon in 1968, many argument in 1992 perot prevented george bush sr. from being relative elected. but they all lost. so even as impressive as they are, and bother rose 19 percent of the vote, everyone says you will lose, so request do this? >>guest: well, back to the debate, is it going to be a debate given that our $16 trillion debt, $8.5 trillion of that is from democrat administrations and $7.5 trillion is from republican administrations. so, what's the debate over? look, let's balance the federal budget now. let's reform the entitlements. let's get out of afghanistan. let's have real, true, free trade. end the drug wars. there are big differences. >>neil: you think you could win this governor and get the 20 electoral votes to win it all? >>guest: the only way in which i win is if i'm actually in the debate. so that could be crash and burn, that c

bush and ross perot.issa harris-perry, host of the melissa harris-perry show right here on msnbc, thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> one downside to being a rock star if there is a downside to being a rock star, and they can't choose their fans. for every bruce springsteen, there are thousands of chris christies. who is really the boss in new jersey? >>> on friday, the show reported the state of mississippi was on the verge of effectively banning abortion by way of a new law about to shut down the only clinic in the entire state. the law added reg ygzs for the one clinic that other types of clinics do not have to follow. in particular, they required doctors at the clinic to have admitting privileges to the hospital. the owner of the clinic told us her doctors have applied but not one has said yes. with the law taking effect on sunday, the clinic faced a choice of shutting down or breaking the law. unless the federal court stepped in. hours before the clinic was supposed to open this morning, a fed

maine cast the nation's highest percentage of votes for third party presidential candidate ross perot. king does look like a shoo-in. >>> after losing their bid to oust republican governor scott walker in wisconsin recall, democrats will get a consolation prize. they finally take over the state senate. more than a month after votes were cast, republican state senator wayneguard says he won't challenge his loss. it clears the way for democrats that hold the majority in the senate for the rest of this year. >>> finally, as you know, bob kerrey is trying to get his old job back in nebraska. in a race to replace retiring senator ben nelson. not everyone is thrilled about his decision. according to not just report his wife has written an essay for "vogue" that's causing quite a stir. a former writer for "saturday night live" wrote the piece for the july issue says she has misgivings about her husband's run. jokes about feeling out of place in nebraska. boy, the type of thing -- many ways, it is typical of bob kerrey. he never sort of went by consultant script when he ran for president, whe

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