ross perot was the third-party candidate. d perot cost by his presence george herbert walker bush that election. >> couple of things. i know a lot of people in my party have told me that. >> is jeb upset with you for pushing this? >> he's never said anything to me and i don't think he would be upset. we want to resolve this before we get so far into the process that the candidates weigh is this good for me or bad for me. right now they're not thinking about that. second of all, social science done since 1992 kind of disputes the notion that perot cost bush the election. so i think you'd just have to say that's not necessarily the case. >> in the introduction, i mentioned that marco rubio now leading jeb bush in the polls. does that mean jeb bush better hurry and get into this thing or he's going to be eclipsed? >> i'm not worried about that. everybody who has announced, ted cruz hillary clinton on the democratic side, and now marco rubio have gotten a boost when they first announce. and i think marco rubio is a serious, viable

i wish you have him on the show when they had the debate with ross perot when he was running with clinton against george bush's father. he told us exactly what would happen with this free trade. he told us exactly -- everything he said is happening now. like i said, clinton knew better. just to get other stuff passed along with the republicans. host: thanks of the comment. we will let reid wilson jump in. guest: that is the labor movement argument. our standard of living goes down by other countries standard of living goes up. in fact, this doesn't change at all and arts go down anyway. and we lose manufacturing jobs. it is an interesting and difficult balancing act that the administration is trying to do. one of the points that he makes is that this is in fact negotiated and passed in a bipartisan manner by the president with both parties. ronald reagan, bill clinton, george h.w. bush, george w. bush, they all passed a number of trade deals and now it is obama. your perspective changes when you're going from capitol hill where you are one of 100 who gets to vote and essentially makes as

[applause] >> one minor correction -- it was ross perot. [laughter] i think that we need to have a flowering of association. this is a room of people that feels connected, or seem to be a lot of connection as independents. it is not like no one wants to be connected. it is ok to be connected to people. i think that to be rigidly boxed in democrat/republican that is it, that is not it. but if we can have a balance that allows association to be shown, to connections to be shown, that you can call it a party, but it is not rigid in their mighty in new one and a couple years -- that brings people in and makes people feel connected. i think there is a whole conversation to be had about how that can be put into our politics. watching states that i have talked to -- it starts, and you have a certain number of characters where it says you can say what you are connected. you can say your association. people are very creative about that. whatever they feel connected to. if we move that direction and allow more choices on the ballot, where we have a r

>> he remind me too much of ross perot. i can't deal with the speaky voice and pointy nose. >> i am shallow. >> you are a superficial guy. >> what do you think about jeb bush? >> i am an old bush fan. i am a reagan kid. >> i didn't like bush. i think he was an idiot. >> you seem to know what's going on. >> what do you think about marco? >> polo. >> mark yo rubio. >> never heard of him. >> republican senator out of florida. >> i don't like him. >> you never heard anything. >> i don't know him. i don't like him. >> rand oy we knows? >> owens? >> rand paul. >> i like rand paul. try to get away from the status quo. >> kind of cute. >> i like his stance on drugs. libertarian view on that. >> are you on drugs now? >> not yet. >> never know what you are going to get. >> it will be interesting to see how the race pans out. >> challenging common core. thousands of students standing out of standardized testing why it could turn into a national trend. >> you think i nag you. >> that's all you do. >> all you do is nag me. >> fighting w

nafta is wrong, instead of having al gore debate ross perot. blamed the financial crisis on a piece of legislation here husband signed so she is not bill clinton on economics at all. john: her economics just scare me. don't let anyone tell you it's corporations and businesses that create jobs. hello? >> the idea that that is popular message is crazy if you think about it. these -- people running on this have been losing elections right and left. nancy pelosi is out of power. people who ran on the economics except in deep blue states and cities have lost. john: there are several ways to measure where people fall on the political spectrum and issues. i put the world's smallest political quiz on my website. it scores you based on how you answer ten questions about economic freedom and personal freedom. and matt and i joined 292 million people who have taken that test. we scored up near the top of the libertarian category. no surprise. the testmaker, advocates for self-government scored the candidates based on statements they've made. hillary appea

i decided i was an independent in 1992 when ross perot was running. anyway a large march like i was talking about, miss jackie, if we can organize a lot of people in the warm weather is coming up, i mean at least 100000, and we say we've got to get out to the streets. the other thing is how many people are familiar with the coast-to-coast am radio show. i'm a fan of that show. that is a good show for jackie to go one. jesse ventura has been on there. it's got at least 10 million listeners, all smart people. they talk about a lot of the behind-the-scenes things like this. it perfect show. can we help jackie get on the coast-to-coast a.m.? george norrie is the host during the week. maybe we can all work on that. [applause] >> all right. let's get our panelists another round of applause. [cheers and applause] thank you so much. i am going to close this out now. thank you so much for being here and for participating in these conversations. some of what we pursued and opened up and talked about today are some of the most important discussions going on in t

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the reason he stuck with it is because he got money from ross perot, he got $200 million from canon.e couldn't walk away from it even if it failed. it would blow his credibility as an entrepreneur. so he stuck with it, and figured out a way to whittle the template down. eventually, it became a profitable company and apple bought it. pixar was different. pixar was a lark. he called it his side project. he literally only spent one day a week there. but this was an outfit that he thought could create yet another kind of computer, sort of a graphic 3-d computer that he could sell to medical researchers, or auto designers that's what he thought. what these guys really wanted to do was make cartoons. they were total eggheads. they wanted to make cartoons and they had a high artistic sense. they brought in a guy from disney, john lasseter, and in the background, they were constantly trying to make cartoons. eventually, steve woke up and realized they know what they want to do better than i do. and he shut down the computer operation, the pixar image computer, shut it down, laid off half the

>> he reminds me too much of ross perot.eal with that squeaky voice and pointed nose. >> i'm very shallow. >> you are a superficial guy. >> what do you think of jeb bush? >> i don't think about him at all. >> i do like jeb. i'm an old bush fan i'm a reagan kid. >> i can't deal with another bush clinton matchup. i don't know if the country is ready for that. >> he is george bush's brother i probably don't like him. i didn't like bush he was an idiot. >> you seem to know what's going on. what do you guys think about marco? >> polo. marco rubio. never heard of him. >> is he a republican senator out of florida. >> i don't like him. >> you never even heard anything. >>y like him. >> what of scott walker? >> i'm not sure i can trust him college education. >> is that elitist of me. >> you are elitist snob. >> i figured that. >> what state are you from. >> texas. >> are you gliewn. >> no. >> so you might like him. >> chris christie. >> sometimes he needs to be told to shut up. >> sit down and shut up. >> rand? >> owens? >> not owens

nafta was that -- remember ross perot said that giant sucking sound, and it did. the middle class, and that's the problem here because now we're watching unemployment drop wages stagnate and we're finding out the middle class is shrinking. why did that happen and to a large degree it was nafta? that is not lost on those members. >> do you think that a lot of the apprehension among some democrats on this trade bill is because nafta didn't work and because they feel that any trade bill could lead to the same thing even though the president has gone out of his way to say this is not nafta. >> yes. >> and he was just getting out of law school when nafta happened? >> the north american trade agreement, that's what nafta stands for but we have to remember that many people in the democratic party like you said reverend al, are saying that it didn't work and it's disenfranchised a lot of the middle class in the country. two things with the fight with elizabeth warren and president obama, one that she's saying it's secret. i believe if and when this does pass, the trade pr

billionaire ross perot then became the most-successful third party candidate in more than 80 years.he end of the gulf war george h.w. bush's approval ratings sereoared to 89%. two years later he got just 37% of the popular vote. and bill clinton captured the white house ending 12 years of republican reign. clinton's eight years in office saw the dawn of the dot com era. and presidency will long be known for scandal. >> i want you to listen to me. i'm going to say this again. i did not have sexual relations with that woman. ms. lewinsky. i never told anybody to lie. not a single time. never. >> in 2001 president clinton handed the office back to president bush george w. bush, whose presidency quickly defined by the terrorist attacks of 9/11. a moment in history unlike any his father or predecessors had faced. >> i can hear you. the rest of the world hears you. and the people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. [ cheers and applause ] >> president bush was cheered at ground zero but heavily criticized for the war in i

and the reason he stuck with it is because he got money from ross perot, he got $200 million from cannonay from it even if it failed. because it would blow his credibility ever again as an entrepreneur. so he stuck with it and drove his guys, figured out a way to whittle the company down and that became a profitable software company eventually. it's likepaxar was different. pixar was a lark. he called it his side project. he spent only one day a week there. this was an outfit he thought could create another kind of computer a 3d graphics computer he could sell toresearchers or auto designers. that's what he thought. these guys really wanted to do was make cartoons. and they were total eggbut they wanted to make cartoons and they had a really high artistic sense and they brought in a guy from disney, john lassiter. in the background they were trying to make cartoons. eventually steve woke up and realized they know what they want to do better than i do and he shut down the computer operation. they had something called a"lu ç4,pvpixar image computer, shot it down, laid off half the employee

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i wish you have him on the show when they had the debate with ross perot when he was running with clintoninst george bush's father. he told us exactly what would happen with this free trade. he told us exactly -- everything he said is happening now. like i said, clinton knew better. just to get other stuff passed along with the republicans. host:

now, here are the numbers with a nod to ross perot.for corporations and a disaster for workers. it's depressed wages and destroyed 700,000 american jobs. another even larger trade deal is currently being negotiated that would make things worse. mrs. clinton so far has been silent on this trade deal. where does she stand? will hillary fight for workers to have more power? as unions have declined so have middle class incomes, by republican union busting, that's made it virtually impossible for workers to organize. will she fight for national legislation like the employee free choice act that will give employees a voice in their workplace. will hillary guarantee universal early childhood care? too many women who want to work are shut out of the workplace because they can't afford childcare. and too many children are left behind before they even get to kindergarten. there's no better way to spend money than on the very first years of a child's life. it's our national responsibility, and our best interest. after all, someone told me a while

in the late 20th century, there were several that did bubble up john anderson, ross perot, and ralpht least five times. in 2000 he got nearly three million votes as the green party nominee. consumer advocate and former presidential nominee ralph nader joins us. good day you to. your book, "return to sender: unanswered letters to the president," interesting premise here. so mr. nader, tell me this we'll get to the book in a second, but as i was talking about, a third-party candidate, today's "philadelphia enquirer" column saying change the 15% poll rule. you have to get that to be in the debates. is that keeping good third-party candidates from getting traction over time from voters across the country? >> very much so. it's the only way because they're not multibillionaires that they can reach tens of millions of people by being on the same stage as the other candidates. if they qualify to be on the ballot, if enough states have the votes to win, they should be allowed. in canada norway a lot of countries have five six seven eight on the stage. look at the republican primary in 2012.

i've decided to -- that i was an independent in 1992 when ross perot was running. i liked a lot of the things he was saying because so many people didn't. but anyway. a large huge march like i was talking about if we can organize a real big march, a whole lot of people, taking advantage of the warm weather that's coming up, whenever we can do it, at least 100,000. that would get it out. we say we've got to get it out to the streets. the other thin is, how many people are familiar with the coast to coast a.m. radio show? i'm a fan of that show. that's a good one for jackie saylor to go on. you can lay it on the line. jesse ventura's been on there. it's got at least 10 million loyal listeners and they're smart people. we talk about it. they talk about a lot of behind the scenes things like this. it's a perfect show for the coast to coast a.m. can we help jackie get on the coast to coast a.m.? george norry is the host of it during the week. and there are other guest hosts on the weekend. so maybe we can all work on that. >> thank you. all right. let's give our panelis

caller: can you inform the public about the historic 1992 ross perot, the giant sucking sound of jobsnvolving nafta versus bill clinton? what brought that about? guest: well, look, let's back up a bit. the initial negotiation of nafta was done with george bush senior . bill clinton became president on the promise that he would fix nafta and in particular fix the labor chapter, which he did not do. and ross perot said there would be a giant sucking sound sucking jobs to the south in a debate that they had and showed come if i remember right, showed some charts, and over the long term he has proved to be right. it did not happen instantaneously, but it happened over 6, 7, 8, 10 years, where more and more about jobs have gone to mexico. we see the mexican auto industry is booming right now, making cars that we used to make in america. ask yourself the question, why is that happening? it is happening because it is cheaper for companies like volkswagen or companies like toyota companies like hyundai to put their plant in mexico pay low mexican wages, and then they get complete free access

i am sympathetic to a lot of the things that ross perot was talking about in his campaign in terms ofconomic protectionism and that kind of thing. i think you really changed the landscape. he was not able to parlay that into having a third-party in this country, and ralph nader did not have any success. all he did was inflame the left by helping out gore lose, but i think when you have a two-party system and you have the choice between jeb bush and hillary clinton, which is what it looks like it will be based on donors arranging ahead of time that those are going to be the candidates, i think you have a lot of people feeling shut out of the process and a lot of people looking around saying well, who other people making this decision? it seems like there are a few rich guys in japanese cars sitting around in some kind of hotel ballroom in anaheim picking the candidates and they don't want that. they want people who are out there in the field come out there in the street talking to them. i think this will be a very interesting primary, especially for the republican party. i think this i

[applause] >> my name is kevin johnson, i decided that i was an independent in 199 and ross perot was running. a lot of the things he was saying because so many people didn't. anyway a large huge mark like i was talking about, miss jacky if we can organize on a real big margin at that whole lot of people, take advantage of the warm weather that's coming up. at least 100,000, we say we got to get out of the streets. the other thing is, how many people are familiar with the coast to coast a.m. radio show? i'm a fan of that show. that's a good one for jackie to go on. you can lay it on the line. jesse ventura has been on there. it's got at least 10 million listeners and are all smart people. we talk about -- they talk a lot of behind the scene things like this. perfect show for the coast to coast. can we help jackie get on the coast to coast a.m.? george is the host of it during the week. and there are other guest hosts on the weekend. maybe we can work on that. [applause] >> let's give our panelists another round of applause. [applause] >> thank you so much. i'm going to close us out no

caller: can you inform the public about the historic 1992 ross perot, the giant sucking sound of jobs involving nafta versus bill clinton? what brought that about? guest: well, look, let's back up a bit. the initial negotiation of nafta was done with george bush senior. bill clinton became president on the promise that he would fix nafta and in particular fix the labor chapter, which he did not do. >> good afternoon. i am marilynn serafini with the alliance for health reform. on behalf of our honorary cochairman, senators carter and blunt, i would like to welcome you to today's briefing on the second of health care costs. i would also like to thank our partner in this briefing, the kaiser family foundation will stop and we have -- kaiser family foundation. and we have with us as michael monitor -- co-moderator, drew altman from the kaiser foundation. the mission today is to take some of the mystery out of health care costs. our experts will extend the trends, the prospects moving forward, what is driving health-care costs, and what policymakers and the health care community are alread

. >> he's going all ross perot, "can i talk?" >> i can't say i'm all ears. >> go h. at what hillary clinton wants right now out there is her message and she does not -- hillary clinton does not need to do what chris christie's doing. >> don't say you are. don't say you're listening to real people if they're set up. >> i think she is listening to real people. i thought her message was great and i think you guys are fine if you want to say all this but i'm not obsessed with hillary and her delivery. >> what's her message? she said "i'm not going to give you my message until i talk to the real lobbyists." [ laughter ] sorry about that. i mean the real people. >> i thought her message was great actually. >> which is what? >> which is what are we going to do about ordinary people trying to make a living where the deck is stacked against them? she talked about campaign finance reform which people normally don't talk about because it makes their eyes glaze over. she talked about income inequality, not using those words which is a good choice. and she wanted to get her messag

ross perot said that as an independent, and he could say, what the hell was the truth?nd you will hear a big sucking sound with job spear he was 100% correct. germany does not have this ridiculous tariffs. germany is thriving. research everything you can about germany right now. these trade agreements, they have advantages. but overall, they have killed wages for the working-class people in this country. next week -- [indiscernible] that is all i have to say. guest: thank you. start with germany. you make a good point. there are things that germany and the european union, the 28 member states in which germany is a member, have that we do not have year in the united dates. one of the reasons that germany and other european member states are able to grow their manufacturing and expert decks -- export more is they have more these trade agreements that were talking about today than the united states. their exporters face lower tariffs in markets around the world than do we. or consider a country like mexico. mexico has been able to woo foreign investors in automotive manufa