i did not vote for ross perot, i voted for george h w bush. but is it illegitimate to say that perot could not articulate the issues he cared about? those are important issues that millions of people care about. i do not agree with those americans that ross perot should've gotten their vote. but to say that person shouldn't be represented is not good democracy. you said, we do not want a clown show. can you elaborate? guest: one argument made, that undermines what we are talking about, is to allow everyone running to be in the debates. we have all sorts of minor trivial candidates who have no chance whatsoever of being elected president. we don't want that. we want a voice on the podium to articulate the views of the large bulk of americans. we do not want to simply open it up and let everyone come in. the republicans and democrats at that point would say we are not going to participate in this. but if you have a system that allows a candidate to earn her or his way into the dsr podium we think that affords the system a better opportunity to he

ross perot and i said mr. perot james bradley i have the stories that have never been told about the flagraisers. you have done a hollywood movie. you are a patriot and i have got the stories. that's get together and ross perot says if you take it to hollywood they are going to steal it from you and you won't have any control. what you have to do is you have to write a book and you have to make it heavy enough that if you drop it on your foot it hurts. but mr. perot what i was thinking and he was very polite and he heard me out making another pitch about a movie and then he said bradley he can do it that way. they will take it from you. what you have to do is write a book and it has to be heavy enough that if you'd drop it on your foot it hurts. he was so nice to me. i call them seven times over two weeks with my dream. i didn't want to write a book. and he just kept saying and finally i know mr. perot test to be heavy enough drop it on your foot raid five years later flags of our fathers came out pretty sent t

i did not vote for ross perot, i voted for george h w bush.ut is it illegitimate to say that he could not talk about issues he cared about? i do not agreed with those americans of ross perot should've gotten loads of commitment to say that they should not be represented is a bad thing for our democracy. host: new set we do not want a clone show. can you elaborate-- -- we do not want a clown show. can you elaborate? guest: minor candidates who have no chance, we do not want that. we want a voice to articulate the views of the large bulk of americans. so we do not want recently opened it up and let everyone come in. the republicans and democrats at that point would say we are not way to participate in this. but if you have a system that allows a candidate to earn her or his way into the dsr podium, we think that affords the system a better opportunity to hear a third voice. we think it would be good for both parties and for the country. we have a two-party system in this country it has produced wonderful things in terms of stability for our coun

a third party candidate, ross perot threw his hat into the ring with george bush the incumbent republicanhat for some period of time 30 or 45 days, he had a chance to actually be president of this country. as you and i know, we are in deep voodoo. man: perot himself did not use any polling data at all for planning his behavior in the campaign. he considered that immoral. i mean, it was an issue campaign for him, it was a campaign of principle and he thought that trying to shape your campaign with polls was not something he was going to do. if i could have one wish for the two parties, it would be to stop taking polls and go talk to people. washington doesn't listen. washington takes a 1,900-person poll sample and makes a decision affecting 250 million people. poussaint: the league of women voters asked perot to participate in the presidential debate because he was polling at 10% or better of the projected vote -- he got a huge boost from that inclusion. but elation soon turned to sorrow when the votes were counted on election night. man: we asked on the exit polling "would you have voted

neil: mitt romney, herman cain ross perot, carly fiorina. think quick what to they all have in common? i'll tell you, getting into the business because they were big in business. welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto. if you are a successful business person, you are going to get kicked in the can. mitt romney found that out, herman cain found that out. ross perot found that out and carly fiorina is finding that out. no sooner did she announce her run for president of the united states, then the media was running her through the mill over her years at hewlett-packard. let me be clear, the media should be running her business record through the mill. after all, she's basing her entire candidacy on the business experience. but is it me or the media focusing more on the people she laid off than the technology powerhouse many others insist fiorina helped reignite? romney endured the same thing over bain capital days. when the media chose to focus not on all the job and the outbroke fixing companies but the relatively few lost when he couldn't fix so

neil: mitt romney, herman cain ross perot, carly fiorina.to they all have in common? i'll tell you, getting into the business because they were big in business. welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto. if you are a successful business person, you are going to get kicked in the can. mitt romney found that out, herman cain found that out. ross perot found that out and carly fiorina is finding that out. no sooner did she announce her run for president of the united states, then the media was running her through the mill over her years at hewlett-packard. let me be clear, th

>> ross perot jobs jobs. out the north american free trade agreement between canada mexico and the united states perot believed nafta could create more u.s. jobs and massage the economy much like the concern about tpp deal, many trade unions were concerned nafta could result in a loss of manufacturing jobs in the '90s. still president clinton signed the agreement in december of 1993 of after facing congressional opposition and it was a major policy sickry for the administration. joining in the celebration, of course then was then first lady hillary clinton and secretary of state hillary clinton called the tpp the gold standard in trade agreements. as a candidate clinton has been vague and general about the tpp, unlike likely democratic candidate martin o'malley. clinton restrained her comments to this in new hampshire. >> any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security. we have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and skills to be competitiv

host: have you talked to ross perot or people worked on his campaign in 1992? guest: i have not. host: that was the last time we saw three people on the stage. guest: frank, republican line, good morning. caller: excuse me? host: good morning. go ahead. caller: i agree with mr. weber that there should be three parties on the debate, any viable party should be allowed to be in the debate. my question is, people are opposed to voter registration to keep it above board. and yet, they are in favor of obamacare area the last i went to the doctor, the first thing they asked me, before my health insurance cards, was for a photo id. if you have to have photo id to go to the doctor, how is that hindering anyone from voting? guest: i have a hard time understanding that as the color does. listening to our last guest talk about border idea efforts around the country describing them as an effort to suppress the vote usually those discussions turn ugly, saying it is an effort to suppress minority votes. i do want to say that, but it does seem to me that the integrity of our voting process is a

the last time one caught fire it took al gore debating ross perot on cnn. remember that? to capture the nation's attention. that was in 1993. this time, the fight over the prospect of a transpacific partnership has ignited debate that has democrats warring among themselves. among those leading the charge against the white house, oregon senator ron wyden. senator wyden: we can track trade agreements full of lofty goals and principles. you can amass all of the enforcement ideas you might want. but it doesn't do any good mr. president, if you don't have real enforcement tools. and you make sure that they aren't locked in a shed. gwen: but republicans mostly took the president's side. arguing that the deal is essential for economic security. so how do we get to this strange bedfellows moment manu? manu: it started after the republicans took back control of the state. the president has wanted the fax track authority for some time. but it was democrats when they controlled the senate that rejected that. harry reid when he was majority leader said he wasn't going to put it on th

this country was founded on this notion that if -- i will take an old example, ross perot walks into the voting booth and he has one vote. i walk into the voting booth and i have one vote. regardless of economic status. i think we have now reached a point where this political system is so far tilted and in favor of those who have the money that this notion of speech equaling money is a very dangerous kind of way for this democracy to proceed. host: that is a headline on friday from "the wall street journal." other liberal activist trying to help democrats or the coat others and special interest -- koch brothers and special interest. they are taking on a competitive role but they are not allowed to coordinate with the candidate. my question is is that in with a wink and a nod? guest: it's beyond a wink and a nod. the way the federal election commission has interpreted what constitutes coordination has meant that you can get away with an amazing amount. we saw this in the last election. in this notion that the super pac's are operating independently is a farce. we have seen reports whe

ross perot was right.e said we will make richer men and it will destroy the american working class. guest: ross perot famously said that that giant sucking sound you hear will be all of the jobs being sucked out of the country. in large part, we have seen a trend of job with the country. we have also seen a trend of companies leaving the country tax aversion, leaving the united states to lower their tax bills. what you see is that companies are machines that exist to make money and profits. they are not necessarily patriotic institutions and do not think it is there priority to hire one nationality or another. they feel that their priority is for their shareholders and their board and they will do what they can within the bounds of the law to do that. host: if you want to read more about nafta, you may remember a man who was bill clinton's chief of staff. he defends nafta in "the washington post," with "lessons from nafta to." it did not shape the -- it shapes the interests of the unite states, and the tra

ross perot once led the general election polls but didn't win a single state. herman cain was briefly a gop front-runner before quitting the race. first-time candidates tend to commit gaffes that portray their inexperience. such as when ben carson said that homosexuality is a choice. >> a lot of people that go into prison go in straight but come out gay. >> reporter: and donald trump is nobody's apprentice. >> when you haven't governed a state -- >> all over the world i do millions of dollars in business and build great things. >> reporter: the last nonoffice holder to win the white house, dwight eisenhower but he won a war. business candidates also carry baggage. trump's casino went bankrupt last year and the biggest hurdle is their lack of political credentials is an asset. shannon? >> howard, thank you so much. >>> we're looking at the roads in phoenix and in dallas. aaa says more than 37 million americans will travel 50 miles or more from home. that would be the highest travel volume for the day in ten years. 33 million people will drive and they will be pa

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charles: i remember ross perot.rican jobs leaving and not something that strikes a nerve with a lot of people. apple sells more products outside of this country than in this country. you go down the list, we want access and a lot of people think that obama is putting together a bad deal. >> the problem is, we don't know, the deal is under tight lock, which i think is raising suspicion among everyone and everyone's wondering if this is supposed to be for the benefit of the public, why are the people being shut out from the negotiation. >> here's the thing, nancy pelosi said don't worry about it, let's find out what is in it. and that was for obamacare. >> yes, here is what is interesting. john boehner, paul ryan, they are all for this and why is that? because they say that the gop is for free trade. but as this guest pointed out, 128 pages have not been read and you have to give up your cell phone, and once again, they want us to pass this and deal with the effects later. people do not trust washington dc for this re

know, economic critics on the left to that deal, even some on the right, remember pat buchanan and ross perot were against it feel like at the end of the day, those things are secondary. people like bill de blasio and elizabeth warren see they don't see how this helped american workers here. and elizabeth warren adds another ingredient into the mix when she's been talking of how wall street types and republicans want to use these fair trade agreements -- or free trade agreements, i should say, to undermall wall street and other regulations. so she has a lot of skin in this game from very different directions. >> and, jeremy, what is elizabeth warren up to here? why did she need bill de blasio to cowrite an op-ed piece. >> well, that seemed fairley smart to me. that way she tamps down on a little bit of the speculation about whether or not she has presidential aspirations. she can put identity de blasio and say no, this is a joint effort. so one thing, though, that i think the democrats need to be very careful about is assuming that republicans can't talk about these issues that they -- that s

for them to get some money back themselves, and it's also a way for him to pay back cannon and ross perot who invested a lot of money. so that's what he was looking for more than anything. and i think i remember though going over there and he became disenchanted by just how bad the morale was that he found there. and that's what began to make him, well maybe i should. and his wife was very instrument. steve, you won't be happy unless you try. and she was right. so she didn't stand in his weight either and it just took him a while to get used to the idea and think that maybe he really could save this basketcase. and so that's how that worked. >> rick, you touched on something i would love for you to talk about right now, which is an amazing senior team that he had and assembled at apple and then his of building up to connect all those dots and other martial everything he learned to begin to go back and start to make it work at apple. how and why do you explain that in the book about how that happened? >> well i think you know, you have to remember what apple's situation was. i mean, i was

it was a way for them to get money back themselves i'm also a way to pay back cnn and ross perot whohad invested a lot of money and he needs he would finally come clean for all the money he got. so that is what he was looking for more than anything. he became disenchanted by just how bad the morale was and that is what made him think maybe i should. his wife as their instrumental. she's to say steve, you won't be happy unless you try. and she was right. she didn't stand in his way either. it took him a while to get used to the idea and think maybe he really could. so that's how that worked. >> you touched on something earlier i'd love for you to talk about right now which is an amazing team he had an assembled at apple and his ability to connect all of those dots and martial everything he learned to go back and make it work at apple. how and why do you ask a man about how that happened? >> you have to remember what apple situation was. i was back in new york editing stories and the only thing i was interested in at that point was were they going to go bankrupt or who was going to die

this country was founded on this notion that if -- i will take an old example, ross perot walks intohe voting booth and he has one vote. i walk into the voting booth and i have one vote. regardless of economic status. i think we have now reached a point where this political system is so far tilted and in favor of those who have the money that this notion of speech equaling money is a very dangerous kind of way for this democracy to proceed. host: that is a headline on friday from "the wall street journal." other liberal activist trying to help democrats or the coat others and special interest -- koch brothers and special interest. they are taking on a competitive role but they are not allowed to coordinate with the candidate. my question is is that in with a wink and a nod? guest: it's beyond a wink and a nod. the way the federal election commission has interpreted what constitutes coordination has meant that you can get away with an amazing amount. we saw this in the last election. in this notion that the super pac's are operating independently is a farce. we have seen reports where

i am very ross perot-ian in my politics. i believe in truth, fax, results. made my judgments based upon the results mostly. i've listen to you before years ago and when i go for my walks in the morning i thought about you said. the smallest unit of measurement is a micron. you need to have a micron of understanding of what you're talking about. the people that you admire, the rich, when you go down and see how they made their money, the y lie cheat, and steal . the mag light was a pirated military design from the 1950's for a waterproof, shark proof flashlight. from edison to bill gates, they did not do it -- edison did not create nothing. he pirated mostly neglect tesla's ideas. bill gates said he would give it to the college's circuits could learn how to program computers. he ran straight to ibm and told them you have exquisite rights to dos. he got sued for that here. host: do you want to put a period on your statement? caller: i believe in the free market but a well-regulated free-market. the purpose of government is to protect us from the excesses of th

remember ross perot?said can you hear that suckin throughout ourg soud country and all the jobs getting sucked out? i remember that. i just turned 50. that was in my 20's. it is not going to be good. it never will. the trade agreements are a way to suck all the jobs out of this country. host: how do you respond to people who say we are in a global economy so we have to read on into the street deals- - respond and do these trade deals? if we do not, china will step in. caller: i do not agree with that sentiment. it is a way to ship jobs overseas and driveway jive down just like scott walker is doing. he has a loop hole in the wisconsin budget worksheet is going to let -- and he is going to let illegals there. it is a big conspiracy by the koch brothers. that is what it is. host: mike in pennsylvania, independent. what are your thoughts on this ? what are your thoughts on this trade debate? caller: i have two points. everybody knows that capitalism is based on consumers and people buying stuff. we are alrea

ross perot when he was campaigning for president said if you adopt nafta, you will hear the sound of the jobs leaving america m. and that's exactly what happened. exactly what happened. so is it the fact that this new generation trade agreement actually addresses this core problem? welshes -- well, the answer it does not. it does not do anything to address this disparity between very low wages and prosperous countries. this is going to be, as ross perot put it, another situation with a giant sucking sound of jobs leaving america. now, proponents of this treaty say, well, we've done something very significant. we have taken the labor and environmental side agreements, and we've put them in the center of the agreement. this is pretty much like moving deck chairs on the titanic. you move them from one location to another location. how does that change the outcome? well it doesn't. it just means that they're printed in a different part of the text. that's not very good news, if you will, to workers across the united states of america who've been assured that there's something fundamental