what people forget in 1992, ross perot did well in the debates. he clearly won the first debate bush.st clinton and some people would say he won all three but that's how he got to 19% pre-debates, perot was, you or something , 8% like that. post debates he hit up to 19 so he did well. stockdale struggled. he only had about a week to prepare. debating with dan quayle and al gore and he got out of the gate wrong by making a comments like who am i? because a lot of people haven't heard of him before. he actually got a lot of applause when he did the debates, stockdale but the media went to town on him and he wasn't ready for it. medial stockdale for that frenzy that you have to expect. it made some people question whether perot could be president, because some people didn't think stockdale had the political skills to be president. on the other hand, admiral stockdale is some energetic u.s. military historian working on a ph.d. should do a biography of man. they don't come any better than stockdale and i hate we remember just his fumbling of a debate q

ross perot himself has made many anonymous contributions in small ways. he has helped individuals without people even knowing about it. there is a hospital here named for margot perot, his wife. he has given a lot of money to the boy scouts. it is amazing their philanthropy. >> you mentioned earlier his involvement with the vietnam pows. can you tell us a little more what you know about his interest and that issue? how they created a divide between him and later president. >> we mentioned he graduated from the naval academy in annapolis as the president. that is a big deal. he was the sort of person in the navy who believe you are only as good as the guy left behind. he was a great leader. during those years when he was in the navy, he had sometimes had to go and get soldiers that were on leave or got drunk in a foreign town and got them back on the ship. it became sort of a hallmark -- you'd never leave anybody behind. he was very upset during the vietnam war that the united states -- we did not push the pow mia issue in that. -- enough. ross perot steppe

suddenly ross perot goes on cnn, larry king, and says i will run as an independent if i can be on the ballot in all 50 states. if i am drafted. i am not going to go out there and run the typical campaign. people want my ideas, the ones we talked debt the outset here, particularly balancing the budget and stopping of outsourcing of jobs. he was opposed to the war in iraq because he thought it was going to be a mistake. special forces should have gone in and killed saddam hussein. he watched his amazing third- party run and started soaring in the polls and became the darling of the summer of 1992. we will pick up the rest of the story in a little bit. >> let's show that larry king

i see ross perot as a man who is a billionaire and who has kept very close what his agenda is. all they know is from the little bit that they have heard is that he has been a man of action. he doesn't talk a whole lot. he gets things done. he's an activist. and the american people have become -- are becoming sick expert tired of the same political rhetoric every four years from both parties, only to find that when either one of the two parties finally lands until the white house, that nothing really changes. and so they are willing this time-out to really even follow a ross perot if they have to because they know that their quality of life has deteriorated so badly that he couldn't be worse at responding to their needs than either one of the two phenomenons. >> do you think the democratic party is going to survive this election cycle? >> it will survive. i'm sure it's going to survive. but i also sense a growing, growing disenchantment with the parties that we may have in the very near future, the establishment of a third party in this country, not based on race, but it will be

it's part of the appeal they're seeing ross perot. all the notice from the little bit they have heard is that he has been a man of action. he doesn't talk a whole lot. he gets things done. he is an activist, and the american people are becoming sick and tired of the same political rhetoric every four years from both parties, only to find that when either one of the two parties lands in the white house that nothing really i feel they are reeling this time out to really even follow a ross perot if they have to because they know that their quality of life has deteriorated so badly that he couldn't be possibly any worse in terms of responding to their needs that either one of the individuals to parties, a strange phenomena. >> you grew up in the democratic party -- do you think it's going to survive this election cycle. -- cycle? shirley: the democratic party won't survive the. it will be right but i'm quite sure that it is going to survive but i also sense. a growing growing disenchantment. we may have in the very near future, establishm

traditions and running for president and she discusses the 1992 presidential election in which ross perot emerged as a third-party candidate. >> shirley chisholm, how do you explain this incredible presidential year? >> i think i can explain in terms of the fact it's gotten to a point in american history now where the american people feel a kind of alienation and cynicism from traditional politics as we have known it when we are addressing the selection of a person to guide the ship of senate for a four-year period, i.e. the president. the people feel that not only democrats or republicans, that it's all part of the same old traditional package that there needs to be change in america and that if the change does not imme nate from the programs and the agenda and plans of either one of the two parties americans have gotten to the point where they are willing to make that change outside of the regular two-party structure. >> how do you think we got to that point? i ask you because you've been involved in politics for a long time including your own run for president which we'll talk about la

chisholm talks about the struggles she faced and she discusses the 1992 presidential election in which ross perot emerged as a third-party candidate. >> shirley chisholm, how do you explain this incredible presidential year? >> i think i can explain in terms of the fact that it's gotten to a point in american history now where the american people feel an

second best run of a third party, only teddy roosevelt's bull nose progressive party exceeded that, ross perot in 1992, matched and slightly exceeded la follette's effort. he carried only wisconsin but he came in sekz in about ten other states and that was la follette's last hurrah running for president in 1924. the la follette has kind of imagine nick wisconsin. the two sons went ahead and created that third political party, the progressive party, in wisconsin, and then attempted to take that party nationally in 1938. carrying on the issues that old bob brought before, which were important in the context of the 1930s. so you saw things like unemployment compensation. you saw many of the ideas that you found in the new deal, emerged out of wisconsin. franklin roosevelt delivered patronage in wisconsin through the wisconsin progressives rather than the wnz democratic party and the -- the wisconsin democratic party and that idea continued right down through bronson la follette, a third generation, descend and from bob as attorney general. and many of the ideas that bob la follette fought for are

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of think and that's what even today everybody is trying -- upset or worried about the fact that ross perots out there he's not a democrat or a republican or whatever. democrats are falling behind. you know you're going away from tradition -- in his own way he's being creative if you can say that. everyone is focusing on ras instead of focusing on the agenda that will make american people who have become cynical about the traditional ways of doing things returned to a focus on ross perot instead of correcting the inequities in the grievances that the american people have indicated for quite some time in america. this right there in my humble opinion is going to be a bloodless, many political revolution. i see it coming. i see it, it's going to be some convention both at the republican party convention and the democratic party convention. >> why then, if that so, why do you think that the republican convention will be something other than just a renomination of the president and vice president? >> i think that because surprisingly enough eight large number of republican women and some of my

do you get other requests for that other than from ross perot? >> i don't recall. ross was joking. he accepted the rule. but we've never -- tolt best of my knowledge has anyone complained about that rule. they've understood it and all lived with it and performed appropriately. >> a much more general question. but i think an important one. what in your view is a successful debate? what are the characteristics and the outcomes that you're looking for? if i may pose that to each of you. >> well, i think we will learn after the debate how successful they are and to step back a ittle bit it is dined as a civic education instrument for people voting and for people who are young who have yet to vote and you will see on college campuses where the debates take place. they use the debates as a civic education tool to do this not only at the college level but at high school and below. there are programs for kindergarten through 12th grade that take place all around the country under the debate watch initiative that the commission is engaged with. so i think looking at the debates and if peopl

bush, bill clinton, and ross perot.through chris's mind when even watching that is a difficult watch. what was he thinking? well, i'm so surprised that he's getting so much criticism. certainly there is a lot from the trunk campaign. other friends of mine who have called and texted me and said, why did he lose control of them? he's a terrible moderator. well, chris and i go back to chicago where we were at local reporters along time ago. baby reporters. and so along time ago. baby reporters. and soi along time ago. baby reporters. and so i know that he is a dogged journalist. and he a strong journalist. and he a strong journalist. i know that he went in there planning to make this one of there planning to make this one of the best debates ever. and there is so the best debates ever. and there is so much the best debates ever. and there is so much pressure on the best debates ever. and there is so much pressure on the moderator because you are supposed to control the event. but when you're dealing with donald trump, you

to be released internationally in november this year and for more on this let's bring in scott ross perot from culture who is standing by force in venice scott is this a film about great burg one of the big talking points and how the festival how they've been received. yeah definitely it was one of the most highly anticipated films before the festival and has been really well received i mean it is a fairly conventional documentary it's not super cinematic or anything but its central figure is so compelling and and such a powerful presence on screen that she sort of carries the film along and you do really in this documentary get a bit to know get to know a bit about the the personal data to back up we see her with her family we see her traveling particularly with her father who's sort of a comic relief figure in the documentary and i think this picture of a girl who's in some ways a very ordinary teenager makes her incredible accomplishments all the more more astounding i thought it was an incredibly powerful film and gives us a really new insight to this this this global icon. we hear th

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notes and as usual scott ross perot is in venice watching those movies for us welcome scott now pieces of a woman certainly getting a lot lots of attention that film tell us what you thought of it. you know this is quite impressive this movie it's a based on the real life experience of the screenwriter and her partner who is the director of the movie and it's a really powerful look at a trauma and loss and led by an incredible cast foremost among them but nasa kirby who really blew me away with this role ok so vanessa kirby we just heard there she's represented in 2 films in competition competition this is quite a festival for her tell us a bit. yeah kirby is really the star of this year's festival and for me i have to make a bit of discovery i mean i knew kirby some people who were from the crown her role in the crown i knew were actually in for a small role as an action films like the fast and furious movies here she plays 2 very different roles but 2 completely different scale i mean these are much darker more complex female characters than i've ever seen her play on screen before a

highlights but they'll be a lot more dickov in the coming 10 days and we'll be talking with you scott ross perot in business from the start of the venice film festival scott thank you for its news now international soccer kicks off in europe this week for the 1st time since the corona virus pandemic wiped out previous fixtures the nation's league starts with germany hosting spain in one of the standout games fans are still getting used to the relatively new tournaments and they will not be allowed to watch in person. it's 10 long months since germany last played there was meant to have been a european championship in june but that will now take place next year because of the coronavirus germany can instead ease their way back in stock up against spain in the nation's league a tournament designed to give countries competitive football when otherwise they would be playing friendly's. obviously felt quite different to join up with the national team the last few months was strange for everyone in. the tournament to starting its 2nd edition with portugal the inaugural winners last year changes have a

ross perot is one exception. where the both parties can be very successful and not have to be accountable for results. it's an unbelievable journey and have any idea how all this happened. we thought it was in the constitution it was totally created in most cases. >> thank you for that. makes incredibly impressive in what a great teacher you were. so talk about the political industrial complex with those organizations of different types and making money as a result of this polarization and acrimony and dysfunction and the two players and how much money are they making? >> there's not a lot of disclosure here. they don't allow or eliminate disclosure. nobody really knows the prl but i can give you the gist of it. private organizations they are not public and money or anything else. but surrounding them as catherine has already mentioned our customers. who should be the customers in this industry? us. voters. citizens. public interest. and those that passion and then contains a benefit of industry. that they are pa

and my colleague scott ross perot joins us live from the lido in venice welcome scott there you are and you know this is so crazy banister in a global pandemic so different from what you're used to what's how's it going. yeah it's going surprisingly well here i mean it is odd to be here with a mouse the aftermath of the cinema to have the sort of the smell the scent of disinfectant gel everywhere you go but it actually does still feel like a real film festival and i think that has so much to do with the fact that everybody here the stars like kate blanchett like pedro almodovar like tilda swinton but also all the ordinary film fans and film reviewers here are just desperate for venice to succeed they really are desperate for the film industry to get going again and to get restart again and i think that's really creating a wave of optimism here at here at venice all that's great to hear now we heard in the piece that it's a very political festival this year especially the competition film so what's striking about the lineup for you this time around. yeah it's interesting because usually

grabbed conservative movement by the scruff of the neck, took it on in a populist direction that ross perotnce talked about as a third party person, and he is a force of nature, donald trump. so one will be interesting to see if the democratic side can get motivated here as much as the trump forces will to -- and whether joe biden will have to be picking who would his supreme court nominee be or at least put a short list of three or four people, if he's elected, who he would choose. >> doug brinkley, appreciate it. >>> a new picture of kamala harris appearing at the supreme court today to pay her respects. we'll talk about the democrats' leverage, to what extent they have any, going forward. my name is trisha. i'm 70 and i live in mill valley, california. my biggest passion is gardening. i love to be outdoors. i have jaybirds that come when i call. i know how important it is to feed your body good nutrition. i heard about prevagen and i heard about the research behind it. taking prevagen, i have noticed that i can think clearly. my memory is better. i can say that prevagen is one of the mos

anybody has any doubt that bill clinton's and those debates with george herbert walker bush and ross perotillary clinton, by every scientific poll and i'm going to disagree with my friend karl rove, won all three of those debates overwhelmingly but she didn't win the electoral college so didn't move the needle enough. they can matter. they often don't matter. >> bill: yeah. the first couple coming down on air force one. robert, you counseled many democrats. if you are to counsel joe biden tonight, what would you tell him? >> these two candidates will be debating on completely different playing fields. donald trump will be talking about the scourge of immigration as he sees it. people coming to your neighborhood. socialism. bernie sanders and aoc. i hope and trust joe biden will be talking about the pandemic, the terrible devastation this economy has taken, the racial injustice, and climate change and other such issues. bill, we have very interesting dynamic this time that rarely occurs. literally the last week or so, two major things have intruded on the public discussion in this election.

do you get other requests for that other than from ross perot? frank: i don't recall. and ross was joking, he accepted the rule. but not to my knowledge, has anyone complained about the rule. they have understood it and lived with it and performed appropriately. michael: this is a more general question. i think an important one. what, in your view, is a successful debate? what are the characteristics and outcomes you are looking for? if i can get that from each of you. learn after we will the debates how successful they are. you know, to step back a little as both a designed civic education instrument for people voting, and for people who are young who have yet to vote. you will see on college campuses where debates take place, they use the debate as a civic education tool for students not only at the college level but the high school level and below. there are programs for kindergarten through 12th grade that take place all across the country on the debate watch initiative that the commission is engaged with. i think looking at the debates, and if people feel the debat

does debates that bill clinton had with ross perot and george herbert walker bush were probably a bigactor in his ultimate dream. three audiences for these debates. there is the audience in the hall. this time, no audience in the hall. second, people watching the debate. watching it at home, looking out the 90 minutes or some part thereof. the people who just don't have time to watch because they are working or busy or dealing with child care, and they want to stay the after-the-fact coverage. in some ways, it is the third audience that is as important. i think the actual debates could get 100 million people, but i think the aftereffect will be in multiples of that. that makes the role of the press and the pond and so critically important because what they pick up will be with those people see and what impression is created, so the debates can make a difference, but they also don't always make a difference. i think by anybody's fair account, hillary clinton won all three in 2016. not that call in polls with the scientific goals, but she still didn't win the electoral college, so it di

high point was 1992 when 73% of voters said the debates between president clinton and bush and ross perotomewhat helpful. >>> still ahead, we're going to gather around the watercooler to see whether the biden campaign has seized on a punch line around last night's debate. we're coming back, "way too early." census ensures federal dollars are spent on schools, census ensures hospitals, and restorations in our neighborhoods. - funding is at stake for marginalized communities. - so make it count to be counted. the more you know. less oral steroids. taking my treatment at home. nucala is a once-monthly add-on injection for severe eosinophilic asthma. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your doctor about nucala at home. find your nunormal with nucala. ♪ >>> it's time

looks like it will just be two candidates, that we had, as you know, in 1992, three candidates when ross perotebates. but it's not the moderator's job to be, in effect, the fact checker. in other words, we try to impress upon them the difference between being a moderator and just being someone who's interviewing a candidate, because if you're interviewing a candidate, and they give you an answer that varies from what they did, say, a week before. if you're interviewing them, you would say, wait a minute, you said something different a week before. it is not the job of the moderator here if one of the candidates does that. it's the job of the other candidate to say, wait a minute, you've changed your position. so, no, it's not the past that we give to the moderators to be fact checkers. that's not their job. they're there to facilitate the debate. >> and finally, mr. chairman, and i'm limited on time, to what extent are you concerned that given the anticipated voting by mail this cycle, that many will vote before they watch all three debates? >> well, we've done a lot of work and a lot of study

ross perot was one exception. this has been a systematic, thoughtful, highly sophisticated effort to restructure the industry better and better over and over in the paper of the parties. where they can both be very successful and not have to be accountable for results as katherine describes. it's been an unbelievable journey that most americans, particularly me, having idea how this happened. we thought it was in the constitution. it has been totally created in most cases. >> thank you for that in just a couple of minutes. incredibly impressive and it makes remember what a great teacher you were, so thank you for that as well as her former student. i want to ask you about this political industrial complex, where we are now and how complex this is that it makes me think of lots of different organizations of different types, maybe the parties but also companies that are making money as a result of this polarization and lack of moderation and acrimony and dysfunction that you write about in the book. mike, if i could

obviously those are screened, but i think back to the 1992 debate with ross perot, george h w bush and bill clinton, where someone asked a question about the economy and george h. w. bush did not seem a relatable whereas bill clinton approached the person and said i come from a small state. if someone loses a job, i know who they are and what job they lost. and that was a turning point net 1992 election. host: that town hall format is happening this year in the second debate and we happen to know the moderator of that debate. usually sits in this chair sunday morning. filling in for him this morning, just a few minutes left with barbara perry of the miller center at the university of virginia. this is terry in oregon, a democrat. good morning. ia, this is terry from oregon, democrat. caller: thank you so much, ms. perry, i have really enjoyed this segment. i tweeted in my question and got so carried away with watching the old clips, which i viewed on our tv at the age of about 12 and i found anything on tv at that time you watched and it was just great. voters,ion is, the either this i

one of the reasons why i support im from the beginning is voted for ross perot and supported him, and i think i did a lot of damage to the country, and i think donald trump is doing the best he can to turn that around. host: thank you, linda. appreciate the call. a storyeah, let me tell i mentioned before there is a lot of feeling, especially in rural areas, and if you go to robinson county, north carolina, eight is a very interesting county, the most racially diverse rural county, and they have a large native american tribe command a voted for trump in large numbers, after voting for obama. the biggest issue for them was nafta and free-trade. they were devastated by that free-trade agreement. they lost an estimated 10,000 jobs. they are now the poorest county in north carolina. so when he came along and said, i don't care what other political parties have done in the past -- and he railed against nafta and other free-trade agreements, promised to renegotiate them -- that resonated with people there, "he is listening to us. he is not from washington. he is not listening to the consult

the plane with the people dressed in black, right, is -- remember when ross perot said that thing aboutu know, he kind of said george bush was going to disrupt my daughter's wedding and that became the thing that people focused on for weeks in that election in 1992. this was an entire interview of that, and really you sort of wonder, look the contours of the race seem to be coming into focus the last few days. maybe the polls were tightening after the conventions, maybe a contrast was being drawn in a way that could have been a path to victory and setting the race on a course that's in a better place for the president. but you wonder what something like this does to any kind of unified message in any kind of place that the trump campaign is trying to bring where their message is. >> this kind of talk, ross perot when he talked about black panthers scaling the walls of his yard to disrupt his daughter's wedding, that finished his campaign. trent lot says a stray word or two complimenting strum thurman, ends his career. you have people on tv that have said far less than what donald trump

this is think of ross perot in 1992 or 1996 and imagine him winning or imagine donald trump having chosen rather than to run as a republican would if he had run as an independent and what if he had just broken up the two-party system as we know it and one, and the reason i thought of it and probably nobody remembers this today were very few, that in 1976, gene mccarthy, the former minnesota senator that ran against him and johnson as a democrat in 1968 actually drove lyndon johnson out. he forced johnson to the sidelines and decided to run as an independent. i was just a young political activists interested in politics and started researching how many ballots, what kind of impact, and then i thought what if this guy really took off and what if he one? flight outlined a novel about that and i titled it dark horse and i outlined the chapters and i sat down and wrote the first chapter. after i wrote the first chapter, i thought to myself wait a minute. i am 15-years-old. i have no idea what i'm talking about. i've never worked on the presidential campaign. there's no way to write about be re

this is, think of ross perot in 1992 or 1996. and imagine perrault winning. or imagine donald trump having chosen rather than to run as a republican, what if he had run as an independent? what if he had just broken up the two-party system as we know it and one? and the reason why i thought of it, probably no one remembers this today, or very few do, that in 1976, gene mccarthy, the former minnesota senator who ran against lyndon johnson as a democrat in 1968, and actually drove lyndon johnson out of the race. he forced johnson to the sideline. he decided to run as an independent. and, i was just a young political activist interested in politics. he started to research the battle to get on, what kind of impact he would have, and then i thought well gosh, what if this guy really took off? what if you one? and so i outlined the novel about that. and i titled it, dark horse. and i actually outlined the chapters. and i sat down and wrote the first chapter. and after he wrote the first chapter, i thought to myself, wait a minute. i am 15 years old. i haveut no idea

think of ross perot in 1992 or 1996, and imagine perot winning, or imagine donald trump having chosen, rather than to run as a republican, what if he had run as an independent? and what if he had just broken up the two party system as we know it and won? and the reason why i thought of it, probably nobody remembers this today -- or very few do -- that in 1976 gene mccarthy who ran against lyndon johnson as a democrat in 1968 and drove lyndon johnson out of the race, forced johnson to the sideline. he decided to run as an independent. and i was just a young political activist, interested in politics, and i started to research how many ballots he would get on. what kind of impact he would have and then i thought, gosh, what if this guy really took off? what if he won? so i outlined a novel but thought and i title it, dark horse, and i actually outlined the chapters and i sat down and wrote the first chapter, and then every wrote the first chapter, i thought to myself, wait a minute. i'm 15 years old. i have no idea what i'm talking about. i've never worked on a presidential campaign. i

ross perot ran. luck comes into everything. conditions, i agree with you 100%, in a perfect world to the option of doing the right thing. it is a little far out. they have the right probable cause, they did not. they were doing the speed thing. forget about social problems, all the problems we have been he had a hot date, they had no right, what that would say, about bad luck, there was out here in omaha, a good citizen called the police, he sees a roadblock, he sees a young black man, what appears to be an ak-47. the clerk is not there. no people around anywhere. he tells the police looks like we've got a mad gunman, randomly shot people and you better get over there and check it out. the clerk who is back there getting the receipt is not there. and they come in and the young black kids thinks obviously they are not feeling this good. he goes for his wallet, he goes for his wallet, got something for the gun, the credit card, the money. >> host: we need to bring this to a conclusion. >> caller: the shooter, it was a bb flexibil

bill clinton was lucky, ross perot ran luck comes into everything. when he says conditions, i believe you two 100%. but, you seem to be going i must have a perfect world to have the option of doing the right thing. is a little far out. wrongly say the police had to be right with the powerful cause. they did not there is no crime by him or anybody else. they were doing that sweet thing that's what they were doing. he was going, forget about a social problems, all the problems he had, if he radioed because he had a hot date, they had no right to arrest him. one of thing about luck, bad luck. there was out here a good citizen called police. he sees the young black man he's holding what appears to be an ak-47. the clerk is not there. there are no people around there anywhere. he tells the police that looks like we have a mad gunman, actually he's random raid to shoot people he brings it over and check it out. they come to the store played the clerk who is back there getting the receipt is there, they come in, they pulled the guns and the judgment, the yo

if you voted for ross perot. and my honest answer is that obama would not be this vendor. that if he and ask ruinous spending leader to leading to higher taxes and inflation and then i think we are headed in a bad direction. i may well have been wrong. but in 2000 and i voted for the conservative. the conservative candidate for president george w. bush. and he had enacted ruinous expansions of the entitlement program and the west deficit. so who is to say what you will get? here's a question for all of us. where would be right now if john mccain and sarah palin had one? that would be an interesting exercise to engage in. >>host: along with your most recent book which is a memoir, he you have written other books, actually this is nonfiction steaming to bamboo let. >> i was a merchant marine. >> right martini. >> the schema in the nineties it is a collection. >> 2007 supreme court ship. also little green men which came out and 2004. >> if you say so but i think it was 1999. >> wednesday what is transitioning? it is a the looming social security crisis and the woman comes up

the national polls than any incumbent since george herbert walker bush against bill clinton and ross perothe is a performer, and of course we have to see how he performs tonight. >> all right, andrea, thanks. with the debate about to begin we want to go to cleveland and moderator chris wallace. here he is. >> good evening from the health educational campus of case western reserve university and the cleveland clinic. i'm chris wallace of fox news and i welcome you to the first of the 2020 presidential debates between president donald j. trump and former vice president joe biden. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. the commission has designed the format, roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers from each candidate to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to these rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic. i can assure you, none of the questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. this debate is being conducted under health and safety p

one of the reasons why i support im from the beginning is voted for ross perot and supported him, and think i did a lot of damage to the country, and i think donald trump is doing the best he can to turn that around. host: thank you, linda. appreciate the call. a storyeah, let me tell i mentioned before there is a lot of feeling, especially in rural areas, and if you go to robinson county, north carolina, eight is a very interesting county, the most racially diverse rural county, and they have a large native american tribe command a voted for trump in large numbers, after voting for obama. the biggest issue for them was nafta and free-trade. they were devastated by that free-trade agreement. they lost an estimated 10,000 jobs. they are now the poorest county in north carolina. so when he came along and said, i don't care what other political parties have done in the past -- and he railed against nafta and other free-trade agreements, promised to renegotiate them -- that resonated with people there, "he is listening to us. he is not from washington. he is not listening to the consultan