but ross perot appealed to me. and coming forward to this particular time in our political kind of climate, donald trump as borish as he was and offensive in his remarks, he was speaking to the people who don't have confidence and sort of, their confidence in our institutions has really declined over the years. and we've become so polarized in our country with social media and the mainstream media and it's just overwhelming. and people just have so many mixed messages. like you were just discussing about how most people in america are swing voters. it's the independents which i am that swing all presidential elections. so somebody could appeal to those swing voters but then you have your far left far right, and those are the people very monolithic in their political ideology and it's hard to get them to move to the center. host: we'll go to james in florida. not sure we need a new party. what are your current thoughts? caller: well, i would be interested in finding more about the forward party. i voted for nayeder

the most recent was ross perot. he got 19% of the vote in 1992 and 7% or so in 1996. it had an impact. teddy roosevelt is the only independent who got a higher percentage of the vote then ross perot. he got 21% in 1912. it can happen. i would answer it that way. in the long span of time i have been following politics and talking about it, i get this question frequently. we have never had a third party develop with any staying power. the bull moose faded, the progressives that succeeded the bull moose faded, the socialists faded, george wallace's party faded, ross perot's party faded. it is not easy to set up a third party and haven't work. i want to add one note. you brought up a subject about party registration. in 29 states you have to register by party, plus the district of columbia. there you are more or less stuck to the party registered in unless state law specifically says anybody can vote in any of the primaries. the other 21 states, and virginia is one of them, does not register by party. i like to say in virginia we are all independents. do not register as a

but ross perot appealed to me. and coming forward to this particular time in our political kind of climate, donald trump as borish as he was and offensive in his remarks, he was speaking to the people who don't have confidence and sort of, their confidence in our institutions has really declined over the years. and we've become so polarized in our country with social media and the mainstream media and it's just overwhelming. and people just have so many mixed messages. like you were just discussing about how most people in america are swing voters. it's the independents which i am that swing all presidential elections. so somebody could appeal to those swing voters but then you have your far left far right, and those are the people very monolithic in their political ideology and it's hard to get them to move to the center. host: we'll go to james in florida. not sure we need a new party. what are your current thoughts? caller: well, i would be interested in finding more about the forward party. i voted for nayeder

. >> i am old enough ross perot helping bill clinton get elected. >> well, that is not the case, andn't nerd out on that one. >> we will geek out after the show. and this is a serious development, and this is the one that gets under my skin. victor orban is to have a speech in which he argued for the country to have an argument for racial purity, and one of the aides quit likened it to a pure ngng nazi speech, and he said, when we cancel, this is the judge, and jury of the speech, and this is the fascism they always charge, and the sooner we find the truth, and that statement is obviously ridiculous, but the danger of bringing orban to the united states for a summit -- i am overstating it? this sounds like an extremely bad idea. >> it is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, but look, it is, nobody is silencing matt shlap, and they are not silencing cpac, and so is that the good look for the right of the country? do we want racial purity? i am going with no. i would challenge us to see if that is the conversation that they have at cpac if they are rigorously considering victor orban's sta

the most recent was ross perot. he got 19% of the vote in 1992 and 7% or so in 1996.t had an impact. teddy roosevelt is the only independent who got a higher percentage of the vote then ross perot. he got 21% in 1912. it can happen. i would answer it that way. in the long span of time i have been following politics and talking about it, i get this question frequently. we have never had a third party develop with any staying power. the bull moose faded, the progressives that succeeded the bull moose faded, the socialists faded, george wallace's party faded, ross perot's party faded. it is not easy to set up a third party and haven't work. i want to add one note. you brought up a subject about party registration. in 29 states you have to register by party, plus the district of columbia. there you are more or less stuck to the party registered in unless state law specifically says anybody can vote in any of the primaries. the other 21 states, and virginia is one of them, does not register by party. i like to say in virginia we are all independents. do not register as a r

and who could forget ross perot? god he was a sexy man. helped elect bill cline by stealing votes from the older bush. and democrats are at it again worried this new forward party will hurt them more than it will republicans, just like they tried to play hillary's loss on the eight votes that went to jill stein. which is unfair since this dr. jill actually went to med school. it's true. fact is, if you're going to create a third party, at least find someone to lead it, you know, who's charming, shrewd, charismatic, brilliant, independent, gorgeous, and a little sassy. though could that be? ♪♪ [cheers and applause] >> tyrus: you got me. you got me. you got me. >> greg: i tricked all of you. i tricked every single one of you. don't mess with me. i greg rolled you. so kat i know this is a sticking point with you because you get grief for not voting in either party as though you didn't vote for the libertarian party you would have voted ford either trump or hillary as if somehow that was spongeable if that was the word >> kat: i remember never

guess i'm also curious, james, what you think, you know, you helped bill clinton beat a guy named ross perot i guess it was 30 years ago. could this forward party have the same kind of impact this time around? >> i think in a nation awash in really stupid ideas, this stands out as a really stupid idea. ralph nader basically elected george w. bush in 2000. the jill stein basically elected donald trump in 2016, and the only possible thing this could do is bleed some moderate republicans off of voting for whoever the democratic nominee is. this thing is going nowhere. it's vanity. it's, hey, look at me. it's performance art. and to say the least, i'm not a fan of this effort. you know, it's something editorial writers and pontificators like but that's about it. >> and i have to ask you about this, james, because this has been something that's been talked about quite a bit in democratic circlesumstance as t whether or not this is good idea. we've seen efforts to tilt the playing field in their favor by propping up extremist republican candidates in some of these critical races afternoon the coun

ross perot. larry, it was 1992 that he lost. ralph nader lost. in 2012, there was a party of americans elect that managed to get on the ballot in two dozen states but went nowhere. why would this time be any different? the former republican congressman from florida merged into this forward party. thank you but before we get into why you think this will work, what is the policy going to look like? >> this is a new kind of party. this is the bringing together of left, right and middle. not a party that says our ideology must be conservative or moderate or progressive. it actually celebrates pluralism and recognizes the ideologies of politics are different than birmingham, alabama. and if we can coalesce, share values and push decision-making down to the communities that elevate the representatives, we actually believe that the fundamental democracy was founded. >> so that i understand, the decisions will come from the bottom up. in birmingham and boston, they will send their ideas up and then what happens? >> that is exactly right. what we believe

ross perot. that was 1992. he lost.ader, lost, and in just 2012 there was a party most of us do not remember, americans elect. it got on the ballot more than two dozen states but went nowhere. why would this time be any different? david, chair of the movement that moved into this forward party. before we get into why you think it is actually going to work what is the policy going to look like? >> yes, look it is a new kind of party. the bringing together of left, right and middle. consider that. not a party that is as our ideology must be conservative or moderate or progressive it actually celebrates pluralism and recognizes that the ideology and politics of boston massachusetts are different than birmingham, alabama. if we can co-elect around a commitment to problem solving and shared values and push decision-making down to the communities that elevate their representatives, we actually believe that is the fundamental premise for the entire nation. the democracy was founded. the decisions will come from the bottom up.

. >> what about ross perot? disrupted. george w.hat got us, jackie. >> it did not get us to a horrible place. what is happening with this movement is the underlying need to not be so polarized. if you look at the last election cycle, joe biden got his own votes and then he got votes from people who might have voted for donald trump last time but did not want to do it again this time because the two sides were so extreme. those people that flipped over and voted for joe biden were hoping to see a more moderate candidate, a more bill clinton style of rule on the economy and so many other issues. that's what people wanted and then they realize that joe biden, he is being tugged at by the progressive left in that is what we are seeing play out over the course of last year or so. but people's need for centrism is definitely there. i think if you are a smart candidate on the right or the left you would grab onto that in the next election cycle and step up to the podium and be that person. >> i saw andrew yang >> week and a half ago at fre

furthermore, if there ever was a moment ripe for a ross perot like third candidate in the 2024 generaln, this is that moment. these current conditions have already shaken up the stereotypes we used to think about the politics. we used to think about the democrats of the economically disadvantaged but college educated voters continue to flock to it and reshape it more and more each year. the republicans used to be the party of business. but now they are merging as a multi-racial working class party. in other words, we now have an establishment progressive party and an anti-establishment conservative party. this isn't normal. we'll be following this as we head toward the midterms, willie, and that is reflected in all of the polling we were talking about in our previous hour about how the parties are changing. >>> one place there may be some changes in the state of wisconsin where the primary race is getting national attention ahead of the first debate to take on ron johnson. for more let's bring in nbc correspondent shaquille brewster live in milwaukee for us. so no matter who the democr

that's costing the election and putting president bush in the white house and who could forget ross perot? he was a man. you can argue he helped elect bill clinton by stealing votes from the elder bush. and democrats are weird again, that this new forward party will hurt them more than it will republican, just as they try to blame hillary's loss on the eight votes that went to jill stein, which is unfair since this dr. jill actually went to med school through. fact is , if you're going to create a third party, at least find someone to lead it. you know, who is charming, shrewd, charismatic, brilliant, independent, gorgeous and a little sassy, who could that be ? you know, i think all of you i think every single one of you don't mess with me. i i've just told you that to get i know that you had this sticking point with you because you forgot voting in either party as though if you didn't vote for the libertarian party, you would have voted for either trump or hillary as if as if somehow that was fungible if that oh, i have never voted for a republican or a democrat for any office ever. i a

i would think i mean, you know ross perot in 1992 and 96 and john anderson in 1980 or two examples of candidates who i think tapped into the sense that voters didn't appreciate either parties candidates, you know, they in 1980. they they were disappointed with carter and and they were afraid that reagan might be too conservative. they didn't know and in the 90s, you know, it was that lament that the parties are too much alike, but often there's some precipitating issue. i mean go back to 1848 martin van buren ran as the candidate of the free soil party that wanted to limit the expansion of slavery in the west and 1856 milled fillmore interestingly. both ex-presidents was the candidate of the american party which you know, we know as the no nothings which ran a nativist campaign very very similar to the 2016 trump republicans. they you know, they wanted to restore america to a previous age of greatness, to keep immigrants out that were polluting american culture and at the time it was irish catholics that you know, they were they were against and they won they almost 22% of the vote in