bush had some thoughts about ross perot. what impact could rfk have on the biden/trump matchup?> those "new york times" polls that we spoke about earlier this week, they were such bad news for joe biden. but look at this. the biden versus trump margin without kennedy, we see trump up by five in arizona, five in pennsylvania, 11 points in nevada. you add kennedy, look at this. a tie in arizona, a tie in pennsylvania, and that lead gets cut to six points in nevada. so kennedy could be a spoiler for donald trump at least according to this poll. of course, i will note, phil and poppy, he is not the only potential third-party candidate. joe manchin announced he is retiring from the senate from west virginia. there are thoughts of him as a no labels party candidate. 10% of registered voters said that they may in fact vote for him. this year we could end up with a major party candidate winning the race with far less than 50 and maybe less than 40%. >> that number is from even before, you know, last night happened. >> exactly. >> harry, that was so good we'd like you to hang out for a l

ross perot.. who'o's s backing hihim? >>> tonight, joe manchin in a new interview refusing to say whether he will vote for biden in 2024. >> i think that's -- it's a hypothetical question thinking not knowing what we're going to have and who we're going to have. to make a choice right now, okay, let me just say i could not vote for donald trump. >> but you're not convinced you could vote for joe biden? >> well, i want president biden. i hope the changes would come. >> this comes as president biden is facing an uphill battle with a key group that put him in the white house. and jeff zeleny kicks off our new series "voters "outfront"" with a look at the crucial young vote. >> people may not vote because they all say, well, this happened under the biden/harris administration. >> reporter: as kerry singleton looks ahead to the next presidential election, he's thinking back to the promises he heard president biden and vice president harris deliver on a visit to atlanta. >> pass the freedom to vote act. [ applause ] pass it now

>> ross perot. it means you win 0. >> dana: he was very influential.y wouldn't have all cared about the budget or debt or deficit if it wasn't for ross perot's effect. jill stein threw her hat in the ring yesterday. launch video. >> dana: in a close race it can matter. >> 2016 donald trump pulled his weight. jill stein got enough votes from hillary clinton that we ended up losing in the rust belt states. >> bill: thank you. rich. american air strike meant to deter iran from attacking americans apparently not much of an effect at all. president biden getting ready for a face-to-face summit with xi. it will happen next week and confirm. the issues on the table are many. what is the priority for america today? >> what he should talk about in the meeting is the fact they have to stop murdering americans by sending fentanyl. they have to stop stealing our intellectual property to build up their military. veteran homeowners. are you applying for a car loan? the monthly payments can be expensive. with an affordable home loan from newday, you can pay cash and

. >> if you go back to 191992 ross perot not a single electoral vote. you go back to 2000 off needed 2.7% of the popular vote not a single electoral vote although it seems likely that the margin of victory in florida that year that golf nader being in the election probably hand-delivered the victory to george w. bush. what i find very interesting if we involve a third party and the third party candidate is viable because all the exit polls after the 1992 election show that ross perot would got 35 or 45% of the popular vote had voters thought he had a chance to win. if he sees situation like that happen next year there is a scenario where nobody gets to 70 electoral votes in if that happens here's a that plays out a goes out to the house of representatives each state gets one vote need 26 to win. right now as it stands republicans on the majority in 26 states, democrats and 22 and is a tie into states that's what would happen in that situation. maria: unbelievable that this is what were faced with. >> is not likely he's going to be the candidate that thi

you have, basically, ross perot.ll clinton? i don't think so. who would have predicted that bobby kennedy now with his support would tip the scales for donald trump or hurt donald trump? i'm sorry, or tip the scales for joe biden since he basically left the democratic party? i don't want them to predict these things. >> as you said here today, do you think president biden and vice president harris are the strongest ticket to represent the democratic party in 2024? >> not in the centrist part, no, i don't, and they know how i feel. i do not believe that they are basically where joe biden has come from and just to go back to the campaign. he's been here for long, he understands the system, and i think he's a good man and we have good conversations, but we disagree. you're going too far left. i can't go there. >> and you can see my full interview with senator joe manchin at meet the press.com. >>> when we come back, prsz hits a new low point in his presidency according to my new nbc news poll. nbc news poll. e panel is

raz -- ross perot did finish getting 19% of votes, some say he tipped it to bill clinton. we do the know that robert f. kennedy right now is actually polling at 24% when pitted against donald trump who's at 29% and joe biden at to 30%. now, sands shift on this all the time, but it isn't out of the theoretical possibility that in such a battle and if he is in the debates, that he could comport himself enough to win the whole thing. teddy roosevelt came awfully close when he went against his former vice president, got more votes than william howard taft back then. tony lyons, the american values 20 2021 co-chair. what do you think of that, the possibility of robert f. kennedy jr. pulling it off as a third-party candidate? >> i think that the numbers really point to bobby kennedy having a very strong chance of becoming president. i mean, these new numbers are really striking in that, you know, two weeks back bobby kennedy was beating both biden and trump in, you know, all voters under 35. now, you know, two the weeks later he's beating both of them in all voters under 45. and

that's the kind of numbers we haven't seen since ross perot. >> i was going to say, that's a ross perotcago this weekend with the obama foundation. obama's senior advisor, david axelrod, he posted on x that president biden's re-election bid -- if he continues to run, he will be the nominee of the democratic party. what he needs to decide is whether that's wise, in his best interest or the country's. a very negative comment from a top advisor who worked closely with then vice president biden. >> yeah. look, what i think -- agree with susan. i think rfk hurts donald trump more than he helps anyone else. i think the democrats united behind obama for two reasons. the first is he has gotten a bunch of stuff done. he has a historic president. the second is democrats view donald trump's election as a moment -- the last moment of democracy. they know that biden beat trump last night. he will beat him again. the other thing is, there's no panic right now among democrats because they look at the polls and remember that this same time during the obama re-election, they said he was toast. bush trai

ross perot. and the big impact that he made on the election. >> brian: right.h of the border. he was 100 percent right. then he had a meltdown in june. got back in to the race. he didn't get any electoral votes but got 20% of the vote. this guy is the al gore spoiler. >> lawrence: ralph nader got 97,000 votes in florida that turned that over and hurt al gore. >> brian: the theory is that those democrats would have voted -- those voters that voted for nader would have voted for al gore. finally a jill stein, hillary clinton blames her. >> lawrence: hillary didn't want to go to all these swing states. she didn't want to go to michigan, pennsylvania, jill stein on the ground, brian, now she is running again. >> brian: jill stein is somebody that that hillary clinton firmly believes is the reason why donald trump became president then again i don't mean to digress she always said donald trump was illegitimate president she said russia put him there. talk about being a sore loser. >> lawrence: international tour, acting as if he is already the commander-in-chief, br

that is the kind of numbers we have not seen since ross perot. >> rfk junior is an overwhelming sourceion, a purveyor of a file conspiracy theories, and fake science. he is links chemicals in our water supply to gender dysphoria, antidepressants to school shootings, and insisted covid vaccines were a tool to control people via microchips. [audience reacts] >> sarah: that's right. robert f. kennedy is in a three-way race with trump and biden which is definitely the worst three way it kennedy has ever been in. [applause] if he gets 24% in the election, it would be the best showing for a third-party candidate since teddy roosevelt. and because rfk is anti-vax, it would be the best showing for polio since franklin roosevelt. on one hand, it could be historic. america could set the record for hiring the world's oldest baby. on the other hand, this guy is crazy, and he is not like trump crazy come where it is obvious right away. as soon as you see trump, you are like, oh, yeah, i know this. this is a broken man. rfk is, like, so boring. you've got to be talking for 20 minutes before you real

i mean, even ross perot, i think, barely broke 20, if he did at all in 1992., so i don't know how much the historical record is going to be helpful in understanding this election. and again, there's things like, you know, trump facing indictments and possibly jail time, which is something we've never seen in presidential elections before. so i don't think history offers us a lot of guidance here. >> look, and just to end this, on last night, again, looking at the democratic wins, it certainly seems to suggest if you want to extrapolate that voters and some of those states really resonate with some of the democratic platform, traditional issues. but but it seems like there's a disconnect and biden's not really getting credit for them, if you know what i mean. yeah >> for you know, a lot of the polling shows that that people have concerns about biden's age and cognitive abilities and age in particular is something that is really tough to overcome because, you know, it is it is a set number. so that's something that biden's campaign is going to have to really con

scenario because if you look back in history how things have played out, i don't think they thought ross perot would elect bill clinton. now that we see some polls with bobby kennedy jr. would be helping -- would be helping joe biden because it takes votes from donald trump. i've never been a spoiler in anything. i've never tried to. i compete the best i possibly can. i compete to win, okay? and i'm going to work right now to try to win the middle back. they've got to decide, i want things different. i want to make a change. >> how do they do that? >> getting involves, saying, hey, listen, you'd be surprised at how things can happen when there's a movement saying, you're not giving me an option. >> what's causing the election of increasingly more partisan people, less moderates? why isn't the system electing moderates? >> well, the system is closed. it's a closed system. i mean the business model is basically you control all from birth to the finality of it. so if it's starting at the grass root levels back in your home, could be a home district, could be a home state, whatever, senators are s

scenario because if you look back in history how things have played out, i don't think they thought ross perot bill clinton. now that we see the falls with bobby kennedy jr., would be helping -- would be helping joe biden because it takes votes from donald trump. i've never been a spoiler and anything. i've never tried to. i compete the best i possibly can. i compete to win. okay? and i am going to work, right now, to try to win the middle back. they've got to decide, i want things different. i want to make a change. >> norah: how do they do that? >> getting involved. saying, listen, you would be surprised at how things can happen when there is a movement saying, you are not giving me an option. >> norah: what is causing the election of increasingly more partisan people? less moderates. why isn't the system electing moderates? >> the system is closed beer with a closed system. the business model is basically, you control all from birth to the finality of it, so if it is starting up a grass root speck in your home, could be a home district, could be a home state, whatever, congresspeople are di

ross perot won 90% of the vote in 1992 and didn't win a state. so no labels has to understand it would be a spoiler that would make it more likely that trump would be president again and we'll see whether they choose to go forward with that clear knowledge that would be their likely effect. >> ron, i want to turn now to the new speaker of the house and some comments that mike johnson made. rolling stone uncovered a prayer call that congressman johnson had with a right wing pastor where they discussed american culture. let's take a listen to what johnson had to say. >> inflection point, a moment, the only question is, is god going to allow our nation to enter a time of judgment for our col collective sins which his mercy and grace have held back for some time? the faith in our institutions is as low as it's ever been. the culture is so dark and depraved it almost seems ir redeemable at this point. >> what do you make of him calling american culture dark and depraved, perhaps ir redeemable? >> his evidence that it was dark and depraved was the larg

ross perot got 19% and 13% of the nationwide vote and zero electoral votes. the concern for democrats is he would start to siphon votes away from joe biden in a really close election in the same way that our republican friends are losing their minds over kennedy jr. running right now because he is pulling votes away from trump. >> well i want to lean into that. i think, i always have been wondering about the process. obviously, earlier in the week, we heard conversations about whether biden should be running. when it comes to the independence or the no party or no labels, what is the process? is it too late for him to even enter the race now even as an independent? what is that process like? >> so there's a third party movement called no labels that is trying to qualify in the battleground states. it is bankrolled by a whole bunch of rich folks. their own polling shows they can't get any electoral votessened it is a quick quest for relevancy. but in a close election, it could really start to take away votes from one of the two major parties in a really danger

ross perot was one of them, and john anderson in 1980. and all. those ended up with more than 5% of the vote nationally at the end of the campaign. the fact is, this is a very real candidacy right now. at least according to the polling data. >> what kind of impact could this have? i remember ross per lot to helping bill clinton. and will there was some talk that rfk jr. might actually help joe biden. what is your sense of it? >> look at the new york time polls. i spoke about them. they were a disaster for joe biden. when you add kennedy into the equation, look how different it is. look at arizona, pennsylvania. these were 5-point trump leads. you add kennedy in the mix, all of a sudden those states are tied. nevada which we noted was an outlier with an 11% lead. you add kennedy, all of a sudden that lead gets cut in six. it takes those polls that look like an abject disaster for yb and makes it one where you're going, wait a minute, wait a minute. this race is too close to call. it could be that rfk jr. could be a savior for joe biden, at left a a

. >> ross perot. >> the rock could win as an independent.would have to be somebody huge like that. >> speaking of the rock, there was some really ugly fighting going on, and threats of fighting. kevin mccarthy denies it, but kevin mccarthy doesn't always tell the truth, as i think is a fair statement. you can start with the 2020 election and it's only a two-hour show, so i can't go into every lie kevin mccarthy has told. but apparently he hit congressman burchett in the kidneys. and senator mullen called out and wanted to fight a union president. here's what senator mullen had to say about it today. >> the first thing i thought of, i'm going to break my hand on his face. when you're fighting, you learn how to punch correctly, you shouldn't break your hand. >> you thought you were going to come to blows? >> i had full intentions of doing that. >> we should know he's an mvshgs -- mma fighter. what is going on with your party? they're hitting each other or threatening to hit each other. and he's fund-raising off of it. i enjoy watching a fight

that because if you look back in history how things have played out, i don't think they thought ross perot would elect bill clinton. it would be help ing joe biden because it takes votes from donald trump. >> someone at the table, both people at the table know a lot about the history of all this. is he right? >> no. this is a specific case you can't say he took from both candidates. but just take a look at the other two cases of third-party candi candidates. bush wins by 537. that's green party voter who is thought he wasn't good on the environment. fast forward to 2016, jill stein, absolutely her vote total was the differential in three states. michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. so it's not about third parties per se, it's the stakes about this is a way someone who has a low approval rating with a narrow base can win and nobody can predict how not just a no labels candidacy all those independent candidates impact the trajectory. >> yo know all the players and how campaigns operate. it's not just will joe manchin run, it's jill stein is in, rfk jr. is in. it the proper amount of attenti

is polling at 25% and polling at same rate as ross perot was back in the day.s is a phenomena and a lot of his supports are under 45 years old. if we don't have an actual message that gives voters a reason to vote republican rather than assuming they want to vote republican, may see a third party situation, consider to abortion attack and understand relationship these people have with the culture and understanding we have to expand the tent far beyond just winning. >> todd: jason, look at numbers to janelle king's point, not just black americans, it is people of color overwith who joe biden's numbers are sinking. that is not good for the democratic party. biden administration seems complacent it will win the votes. name one biden policy that has been beneficial for black america? >> i can't name one that has been directly beneficial for me and my family. there are a lot of things put in place by the prior administration that have been a trickle-down effect that we benefited from, some covid relief effort and things done during the coronavirus era. i can't name

bill clinton became president because of ross perot. >> manchin is not going to do it, is he?e it to manchin. if they did, they know they would be electing trump. they're probably in the who doesn't become president, not who becomes president and i don't think they would give it to manchin for that sake. >> all right. >> you like your new job? >> i do. it is a lot -- i teach at notre dame, i love sole mere. middle market investing in family friendly businesses is really fun. >> notre dame. >> i work on big company problems. >> notre dame had any demonstrations -- pro-hamas demonstrations? >> no. >> what do you think of that? >> that's crazy. >> where did that come from? >> i hear genocide, i hear let's exterminate an entire country. >> they say genocide. >> i don't think these young college students don't know what they're talking about it. it is jarring this anti-semitism. i had no idea it was this palpable in america. i think the left has a huge problem with this. >> it should not be a surprise because of everything we have been hearing all along from the squad, the squad --

the other encouragement is the last successful third-party candidate was ross perot 1992. of president bush and governor clinton and then for reasons that were inexplicable, he left the race and began to act a little bit weird. he still got 19% of the vote. look at the numbers. almost 50% of the american people when asked identify themselves as independents which means i'm not a democrat or a republican, republicans are in the 20s. as you said, you ask, how about a race between trump and biden, 60%, 70% say% say don't make me do that again. we think we have a chance. when the two tickets are clear it looks like we'll be trump and biden. after the supertuesday primaries in march, tickets will be set. trump and biden call we will be doing a lot of polling, focus groups, meditating and praying to make the right decision whether we should offer these ballot lines we are getting across america to a bipartisan unity ticket. it is a chance to win. paul: who do you pick and who do you make your presidential nominee? robert kennedy junior is already saying he will run as a third-pa

like ross perot to me hurt george bush not bill clinton.ple are going to vote for a third-party candidate, do they realize? do they care it is really like a half a vote for the party they especially don't like? >> these are all good points. trade, you know it off a lot about politics i would not sell yourself short there the case of the 92 election those votes actually took away from both candidates. surveys after the election showed it was almost a 50/50 split. the republican and democrat. it is a really good point this could actually hurt both parties your point about dysfunction, i completely agree with. i do not think were going to get there. but the dynamics of the national races right now could also affect they're down ballot house and senate races in 2024. that we don't really know what we are looking at yet as far as the landscape. click since i have you i have to ask you this. we had third-party proponents of it is at issue based trend or a personality based trend. in trying to think of issues would neither political party captures

ross perot got 19% in 13% of the nationwide vote and zero electoral votes.onservative democrats, would start to siphon votes away from joe biden in a really, really close election, in the same way that our republican friends are losing their minds over kennedy junior running right now because he's pulling votes away from trump. >> i want to lean into that because i'm always wondering about the process. obviously earlier in the week we heard about conversations about whether biden could truly be running. i think that seems to be a settled issue among democrats that he in fact will as far as we know. when it comes to the independents or the no party or no labels, what is the process? is it to place for him to even enter the race now as an independent? what is that process like? >> so, there is a third party movement called no labels that is trying to qualify in some of the battleground states. and it is bankrolled by a whole bunch of rich folks trying to have a political voice. i think it is very unlikely, their own polling shows that they can't get any electo

ross perot came close. neil: he stepped out and came back. charles: he said some crazy stuff.n't see joe manchin but that is an interesting thing. george bush came closer than anybody thought. neil: who does this help or hurt? manchin should hurt the president and robert f kennedy junior. charles: i don't know whether it will hurt or help. neil: it only -- charles: who rubs italy these days? charles: it was 5 or 6 people. charles: let's see, is robert f kennedy in all 50 states? does he have money to do that? neil: you had your doubts if this could work. charles: i have my dad about robert kennedy. i think they can. they have two centrists. if they do manchin and romney, larry hogan, none of these are electrifying candidates but it seems the country doesn't want a repeat of last time. they don't care how electrifying trump is, talk about independence, 60% of the vote, independents -- neil: they have an alternative to a locked in nominee -- charles: remember why biden won. remember why he did with. he came across the guy who brings back normalcy. there's something in this count

bush lost to clinton because of ross perot.that was because ronald reagan was so popular. the point being, you don't get to choose if you are. >>> president biden and president xi met last night, and he's hosting a dinner in san francisco for the heads of delegation. we have bob redell covering the protests, and all of that, laura, is ahead on "today in the bay." >>> let's talk about the warriors right now, and when they return to court it will be without two of their key players, including draymond green who is suspended for five games. the punishment was issued for the headlock on rudy gobert. the commissioner says green's history of unsportsman like conduct played a role in the suspension. >>> trending this morning, some of the best deals you will wake up to the day after thanksgiving. >> jcpenney taking the top spot as the place to shop on black friday, with significant markdowns on jewelry, apparel as well as appliances. this is the fifth time the chain ranks in the annual report. macy's ranking number two, and the best de

we saw what happened with ross perot in 1992, he got 19% of the vote as independent.ded up winning the election which is 43% of the vote. you see the polls out there from gallup, for example, two-thirds of voters say there's a need for a third party and you throw the fact that a majority of democrats don't want joe biden to run again and polling lower than jimmy cart, the last-turned democratic president and third-party candidates they have become more than just an afterthought. jill stein, possible mitt romney or larry hogan and joe manchin with no labels. so it's just a matter of simple math. more candidates coming from the left means splitting up the voting pie from the left and that clear it is path for donald trump who is leading joe biden in a head to head matchup anyway. stuart: can rfk? >> ron desantis, nikki haley, scott. stuart: one of my favorite subjects, soccer player megan was injured in matchup, listen to what she said afterwards, roll it. joe: roll it. >> i'm not a religious person and if there is a god this is proof that there isn't, so, yeah, it just

he is polling higher than any third party candidate has polled since ross perot in 1992. something's going on. we're not talking about this guy, but a lot of people seem willing to vote for him. and more than that, he could really shake up the dynamic. you said in four of those six swing states that donald trump was ahead of joe biden. if you add rfk jr. to the equation, look at arizona, pennsylvania, those are five-point leads for donald trump in those polls without kennedy. you add kennedy to the equation, all of a sudden, it's a tie. and all of a sudden, we have a tight race for the presidency. and i was surprised that no one seemed to be talking about this poll data at all because rfk jr., for better or worse, that dude is running and running strong and getting a lot of folks. and he could really shake up the dynamic of the 2024 campaign. >> what do you think about voter turnout? >> the couch is going to get a lot of votes i think. that's all you're looking at. the trump base is powerful. it's excited. they're going to want to come out. they're traditionally smaller t

. >> kennedy: bill clinton sent ross perot a thank you letter. r.f.k. jr.six battleground states among 18 to 29 year olds, younger voters are gravitating to r.f.k. jr., leaving the biden presidency. >> kayleigh: hillary clinton had third party candidates, jill stein wrecked her candidacy. i have more to say and a lot of opinion tonight, i will be hos hosting "hannity." israeli prime minister netanyahu is offering thanks to house lawmakers for voting to censor squad member rashida tlaib over her anti-israel antisemitism remarks. mlb chooses t-mobile for business for 5g solutions... ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ahh, -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein 30 grams protein, one gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients for immune health. (♪) i'd like to take a moment to address my fellow veterans, because i know so many of you

did go along with it and actually, one of the people behind, as trump's former budget director ross perot leading one of these think tanks. he thinks that you don't need a statutory changed at all, you just need a change of mind set. you just need an attorney general and white house counsel's office that doesn't use itself as trying to protect the department from the president. jim, i mean this is, in some ways it is a legal question. is it just something that requires a change of mindset, somebody saying we're going to do this, or would they be breaking the law >> look, anytime that you are using -- look, all these new things need to be looked at through the lens of, one, is this the right thing to do? two, might it violate the law? there is going to be plenty of lawyers who are in the government at the apartment of homeland security in the military agencies, at the department of justice. and all of these places, who have been there a long time. and the folks that are leaving those departments, again, are going to have to be confirmed by the senate. i don't think that you have the risk t

the last time this happened, ross perot drew blood on stage with bush and clinton. >> they've got a pointt have any experience to run up of $4 trillion debt. i don't have any experience in gridlock government where nobody takes responsibility for everything and everybody blames everybody else. i don't have any experience in creating the worst public school system in the industrialized world and the most crime in the industrialized world. >> kennedy is on pace to play spoiler. maybe he can play an even more significant factor. people actually like him. he has better favorability ratings than any of the candidates running. he is almost as likable as jesse watters. john stockton joins me now. all right, stockton. who are you enjoy seeing-- endorsing. >> i endorse robert f. kennedy jr. >> why is that? >> it's a rare opportunity to have a candidate like him available in the first place. but never has it been more important. we are more divided than ever. we are more distrustful of government more than ever. we have more things jam down our throats that isn't legal that has never happened in th

as we had with ross perot in 1992. >> harris: i'm just dying to ask the question who do you replace joeith quickly and we'll go to gianno? >> yeah, i think right now joe biden doesn't run, it will be kamala harris, as weak as she is. i see gianno laughing, as he should. i think gavin newsom, who will be debating sean hannity -- >> harris: he is debating ron desantis, the governor of florida. sean hannity is moderating. it will be spicy and tell a lot. >> yes, sure. >> i think democrats are looking for choices, especially american voters, but who would be the right person to replace joe biden? gavin newsom is the only person signing up for the job. meeting with the president of china, doing all the activities that one would do if they were looking to run for the president of the united states. and joe biden apparently is backing him saying he should have the job. so this is an interesting dichotomy we find ourselves in. >> harris: we'll move, gentlemen. great to have you both. important times to be together and hear from every perspective. thank you. new york city officials investigating

it was not ross perot who got 19% of the vote could zero in the electoral college. it was george corley wallace in 1968. look, here is the impact of third parties. in 2016, 6% of the people in america voted for a third party candidate. and joe stein, the nominee of the green party, her votes in michigan, new hampshire, pennsylvania, and wisconsin were bigger than the losing margin of hillary clinton. and all likelihood, if she had not been on the ballot, those dates at least some of them may be also would have fallen to hillary clinton and with them the what has. in 2020, only 2% of americans voted for a third party candidate. jojo natson, she is a lecturer in psychology at clemson, her margin to the number of votes she got in arizona, georgia, wisconsin is bigger than donald trump's losing margin and in all likelihood if she had not been on the ballot, those votes probably would have gone to truck and with the potential of the election. that is the -- the role of the third party can they plays. >> dana: dujic mansion wants to do that? democrats are telling him don'

anyone who doesn't hear joe manchin third party candidate and think ross perot spoiler candidate is fooling problem that will impact joe biden and democrats as we talked about the polls being so close. he doesn't have any room to have somebody come in and infringe on his territory. joe manchin has voted 88% of the time with joe biden. he is a democrat. >> harris: quickly, maybe i can hit you both. i do want to hit the race and gender issue with you. doug, i'll come to you. if not kamala harris what do you do about all that de and i and all the diversity talk inside your party? >> i think if joe biden doesn't run it will be kamala harris. her position as vice president and the fact that it will be late in the process that joe biden pulls out. >> harris: none of that has to do with anything she has done. no merit, nothing. >> that's true. >> harris: great to see you both. the five annual patriot awards in tennessee two days away. pete hegseth is hosting and on thursday november 16th i will have a live audience for "the faulkner focus" at the historic grand ole opry house. come and join me. oh

president by the ultimate democratic nominee and in a close race that could be the difference, ross perotherbert walker bush helping bill clinton ascend to the white house. it is a serious thing and there are some other candidates thinking about being on the about who could have a real impact. >> or snow questioned if mansion were to do that they would have an impact but at the same time he doesn't like to flirt with these things and not do that we will see mike emmanuel we were look for you entering the "fox news live" an hour from now. that is it for this edition of media buzz. you can subscribe to my daily podcast we riffed on the top five stories. this is the point of the program were i say we're back here next sunday 11:00 a.m. eastern we are the only media analysis show on national television. ♪ [sneeze] dude you coming? because the only thing dripping should be your style. plop plop fizz fizz with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief. also try for fizzy fast cough relief. ♪ upbeat music ♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ ♪ upbeat music ♪ eric: we b

as we found out in 1992 when ross perot was a third part challenger, doesn't matter how popular you are you get 19% of the popular vote nationwide, you get zero electoral votes. the question for many of these challengers, jill stein, r.f.k. jr., cornell west, maybe some tech billionaire. the question is which of the states can you win. not can you be the spoiler but which of the states that you win so you take electoral votes away from them. one last point, what is remarkable in all three points and they come from all the polls, none of them want donald trump to win, that show that joe biden is struggling with working class voters and young people. the democratic party is eating itself alive over this israel issue. you put that toxic brew together, it's very difficult for joe biden to cobble together the constituencies that helped him win in the first place. >> martha: very interesting. mark, look at the numbers. as kelly an points out, there's a stack that seem to be in the same direction. it's also -- just feels difficult to buy some of this. you look at the last several elections. re

everything, makes it more chaotic and, frankly, diminishes the total in a way that we haven't seen since ross perot: does, very quickly, does joe biden run, or does he get replaced, in your opinion, ben? >> you know what? i talk about this with stu quite a lot, i actually am coming around to his opinion that joe biden is not going to be the candidate come next november. ashley: ah. >> i think this is a very slim window. maybe he has the conversation with his family around the thanksgiving table, maybe he has it, you know, during the holidays, but i think it's very clear that he cannot win this election. ashley: all right, we'll leave it right there. you're absolutely right, ben, stu has been saying this for some months now, i believe. ben domenech, great stuff. happy thanksgiving to you, sir. >> happy thanksgiving. ashley: all right. well, by the way, vice president harris responding to a string of bad polls showing the biden white house is certainly trailing trump in a 2024 rematch, so what is the vp saying, lauren? lauren: well, ashley, good morning, she's ready to work. ashley: good morning. lau

he bought the team in 2000 from ross perot junior. miriam adelson is the reported buyer. the widow of las vegas sands founder sheldon adelson. the nba needs to approve the deal. those are some of your headlines. maria: cheryl, thanks very much. federal reserve governor christopher waller the talker of the morning, he signaled yesterday he might be comfortable holding rates steady ahead of the last policy meeting of the year. watch this. >> inflation is still too high. and it is too early to say whether the slowing we are seeing will be sustained. but i am increasingly confident that policy is currently well positioned to slow the economy and get inflation back to 2%. maria: increasingly confident. meanwhile, fed governor michelle bowman said this, you i remain willing to support raising the federal funds rate at a future meeting should the income data indicate progress on inflation has stalled or is insufficient to bring innation down in a timely way. joining me now, former president of the world bank, wall street journal contributor, david malpass. walk us through the co

. >> reporter: in 1992 independent ross perot captured significant support winning 19% of the vote. >ny spin doctors. i don't have any speechwriters. >> reporter: and in 1968 third-party candidate george wallace even won several states in the deep south. >> people now realize how often in history an independent candidate has elected someone else as president that there are now efforts to game the system. >> reporter: polling suggests the country has not been this interested in third-party candidates since the 1990s with the political group no labels already raising more than $70 million on a potential third-party ticket. >> why not give people a choice if they don't want these two choices? >> reporter: for all the concerns from both parties around third-party gamesmanship, history suggests their impact is tough to predict. >> there is no way to know whether an independent candidate will help one major candidate or the other. the ball has bounced in all sorts of directions, and there could be a very big surprise. >> and vaughn joins me now. good morning. i spoke with a veteran presiden

ross perot earned 19% of the popular vote. and astronomical amount have the third party vote share.a-elect her all -- he can only vote as a spoiler. question mark on manchin as to whether or not he will hurt dems or republicans the most. at the end of the day if he doesn't want to have a big fat el attached to his history than he should stay at a national politics. >> alrighty. rachel bitecofer, tara setmayer, -- thank you all for coming to the saturday show. coming, up the latest in the israel-hamas war as hospitals are caught in the crossfire and israel expands temporary humanitarian corridors. and gaza stay with us. students in a new kind of classroom. ♪ using our technology to power different ways of learning. ♪ harnessing ai to plant new beginnings. ♪ so when minds grow, opportunities follow. after switching to the farmer's dog we noticed so many improvements in remi's health. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy. it looks like nutritious food, and it is. i'm investing in my dog's health and happiness. get started at longlivedogs.com ♪♪ we're not writers

. >> you can say ross perot and justin all you want, but who really knows anything anymore about whereheaded. >> nobody knows nothing about nothing. >> listen, folks, i am sorry that we won't have the circus to tune into on sunday nights at seven regularly, but i am thrilled that maybe this means we'll be in new york city and available to join me more often. >> stay tuned. >> i will stay tuned. thank you for joining me, and congratulations. >> thank you for all you did for the circus. you were the straw that spurred the circus. >> the cocktail swizzle stick. >> couldn't have done it without you. he really helped to make it the success that i was. >> olivia. palmieri and mark mckinnon, thank you for joining me tonight, my friends. did not forget to tune into the series finale of the circus this sunday at seven pm eastern on showtime. we have a lot more this evening, including an in-depth look at the on again, off again relationship between donald trump and fox news, which is apparently on again. ryan stelter joins me with a preview of his new chronicle about the network of lies. plus, s

ross perot, jill stein, different examples from our history where the static binary choice is not whatwill be on election. >> ainsley: a lot of democrats blame jill stein for the 2016 loss. they think that hillary clinton would have won if she had not jumped in the race. lawrence lawrence a lot of democrats concerned right now because all the minority groups, blacks, hispanics, then you have got democrats jews that are concerned about where the democratic party is going. but, when i talk with voters day to day, they are saying financially, they are just not making ends meet. donald trump said people are just better off under him. watch. >> americans better off today than they were three years ago? >> no. they are way off. they are paying $5 for gasoline? they were paying under $2 -- i had at one point where it was 1.51, 1.87 i talk about a lot. 1.87. big periods of a 1.87. now it's $5. that really ruins it for everybody. you know, energy is so big. and oil is so big. that when you have something that goes from like 1.87 to $5, $6 in california $8, that just stops the economy. more than

they didn't like bill clinton or george bush at the time, in june of 1992, ross perot led the field.s in first place in the field. that all came apart, the reality of his candidacy voters looked at it, which often happens with third parties. in theory it's a nice thing, but in reality it sort of falls apart, and my guess is we're going to see a lot of that. but until both candidates, donald trump and joe biden secure the nomination -- and that's a key point -- that people are constantly going to be looking for this mythic candidate that they think is going to represent their interest, and in the end it's going to be choice between two unsatisfactory candidates. >> it also shows this poll that this is a very tight race, it's within the margin of error, right? you've got a bunch of over candidates already out there, in a five-way race, rfk junior gets 17%. cornell west and jill stein each 3%. a lot of folks think jill stein hont hillary clinton the election. and that's not including joe manchin, where does that leave us? >> well, it's fascinating to me, first off, counsel your viewes,

time this happened, ross perot drew blood on stage with bush and clinton. p >> well, they've got a point.oir i don't have anyie experiencnce in running up a $4 trillio$4n debt. >> i don't have any experience in gridlock government whereer nobody takes responsibility for takesi don'd everybody blame everybody else. i don't have any experience in creating the worst public schoolt system in thee indu industrialized world or the most violent crime ridden society in the industrializestid world. >> kennedy is on pace to playon spoiler, but maybe he could play an even more significant factory an e. ctuall >> people actually like him. he has better favorabilitylike n any of the candidates running. he's almoset as likable as jesse watters. john stockton joins me now. >> all right, stockton. .who are you endorsing? >> well, i think it's obvious i'm here to endorse robert f kennedy jr. >> and why is that endorseert f >> i think it's a rare opportunity to have a candidatel like him available in the first place, but never has it beendive more important. i mean, we're mo

we had populism in 92 with pat buchanan and and ross perot. we had populism back in 68 with george wallace. we had populism back in the 1930s with huey long. this is not new. we should not be shocked that this happens. this periodically happens in american history when the average person, the average guy feels he's gotten the shaft. she's gotten the shaft. it's hard to raise her family. it's hard to keep a job. it's hard to get ahead. you know, one of the things, if you study populist movements in american history is they tend to arise when there is great skepticism about the so-called elites. and that's a term that we hear thrown around quite a lot. you know, the elites and perception that the elites, whoever they are, are corrupt and that they're running this country to their own advantage. and not to the advantage or the interests of the average american. what do you think of those kinds of claims? do you think there is a kind of coterie of elites who are running things to their own interests, you know? well, historically, as you point out,