white house for a second term, but nevertheless, the bush team made a serious mistake, they missed ross perottely began to attack the current president of the united states, and since he was in the same niche with him, that is, many of their policy statements coincided, he was craving for fresh faces, bush, the eldest, did not get re-elected, bill clinton moved into the white house, under the already famous slogan , it's the economy that's stupid. then there were also interesting twists associated with the participation of candidates from third forces, however, they were already associated with the defeats not of republicans, like george w. bush, sr., but of democrats. fatal for democrats. in this sense, the elections of 2000 began, when for the seat president of the united states competed with republican george w. bush, then vice president of bill clinton, al gore. we all remember the unprecedented counting of votes in florida, then for a long time they could not determine the winners, so it is believed that the person who brought confusion to everything that was happening was the left-wing

>> ross perot won 19%. and people think that's why bill clinton won. in 2000, al gore trailing by 537 votes. ralph nader got 97,000. this is how impossibly important this could be. >> if rfk jr. can impact the election, even if it is a little swing, who does he help? and who to see her? >> if you know, please tell me. most people do not know. something that could help trump because they like the idea of the conspiracy theories about vaccinations. some people think it will help joe biden because they don't like the way that trump talks about race. at the end of the day there are two or three things we want to make sure. what kind of votes will he get and what percentage. and who will lose the votes more than the other, and where will they go? if it is all in one state, does it matter? probably. >> in terms of legacy, we are talking about the nephew of jfk. does the family have any part with him?>> the entire extended family, we are talking about 50 people and they condemned his candidacy saying it is an affront to the legacy of their name and to his fat

but 12% is, look, i watched ross perot. i knew ross perot.ative about his overall effect on the election. he knew he had on effect. r.f.k. is a bit overblown. is he on another state. that's good. let's see how far he goes. >> carley: hillary clinton was on with fallon last night. and she gave some friendly advice to people who are unhappy with the trump-biden rematch. watch this. >> yeah. can we talk about the upcoming presidential election? >> oh, no. >> yes, we have to. >> get over yourself. those are the two choices. one is old and effective and compassionate. has a heart and really cares about people. and one is old and has been charged with 91 felonies. [laughter] >> i don't understand why this is even a hard choice. >> and, you know, david, one of the things that is surprising to me about the biden presidency is really that his compassion something that hillary clinton was just talking about there, it's really been called into in numerous occasions. >> hold it i'm a neanderthal who is not back enough because i didn't vote for joe biden

host: you mentioned ross perot.wanted to point out that, in his column today in the washington post, a longtime political analyst for the washington post, he gets into the ross perot campaign, noting this past week, no labels tried to form that unity ticket and decided not to field a candidate in 2024. here is a little bit from the column. he said, for decades, various politicians have sought to tap into and energize what they see as a moderate middle. for decades, those efforts have come to naught. the latest efforts came when no labels gave up its search to field a presidential candidate in 2024. he goes on to say the concept of a moderate middle of the electorate has long existed. some politicians called it a sensible center or a radical middle, as if it were some sort of sleeping giant just waiting to be awakened by a charismatic leader. he goes on to say ross perot came to fit that bill when he ran in 1992. his quirky personality as a non-politician and an outsider with a focus on anti-free-trade agreements pro

host: you mentioned ross perot.wanted to point out that, in his column today in the washington post, a longtime political analyst for the washington post, he gets into the ross perot campaign, noting this past week, no labels tried to form that unity ticket and decided not to field a candidate in 2024. here is a little bit from the column. he said, for decades, various politicians have sought to tap into and energize what they see as a moderate middle. for decades, those efforts have come to naught. the latest efforts came when no labels gave up its search to field a presidential candidate in 2024. he goes on to say the concept of a moderate middle of the electorate has long existed. some politicians called it a sensible center or a radical middle, as if it were some sort of sleeping giant just waiting to be awakened by a charismatic leader. he goes on to say ross perot came to fit that bill when he ran in 1992. his quirky personality as a non-politician and an outsider with a focus on anti-free-trade agreements pro

at the end of the day, i will be floored if he gets anywhere near what ross perot got 40 years ago.te all of the dancing around and noisemaking, the country is still largely aligned with the two parties. what that means is, the votes that he gets comes out of somebody's hide and that hide as we saw with ross perot in 92 is the republican nominee. why? because most of the voters that move and that direction tend to be sent to right voters. disaffected republicans. conservative independent voters. so that way is one that has a tendency in this environment to work in reverse. in other words, instead of the republican losing that vote, biden is considered the more stable voter so that hurts him as opposed to hurting someone like trump. it is a mixed bag but this is where the campaign finds itself with somebody like rfk in the mix. >> i keep hearing that rfk will pull from trump, especially this new woman, she appeals to the libertarian crowd or he has dabbled in anti-vaccines. however that is and it total. yesterday rfk junior's own words, he said that joe biden is a greater threat to o

the united states, of course, in our now more modern times, the most famous such character became ross perotbted in 1992 that george w. bush would easily be able to stay in the white house for the second period, but nevertheless, the bush team allowed it to happen. rosa pero missed a serious mistake, and rosa pero immediately began to attack the current president of the united states, and since he was in the same niche with him, that is, many of their program statements coincided and he personified a craving for fresh faces, bursh sr. was not re-elected, to white bill clinton moved into the house under the now famous slogan, the economy is a fool, then there were also interesting twists and turns associated with participation. for each other, because we try and it turns out, either we are all spoilers to pull votes to our side, or no one in the race is a spoiler, we cannot be considered second-class citizens. there is a point of view that in 2016, when hillary clinton competed with donald trump, in general, too... some of the votes, especially left-wing progressives, who had a fairly serious

in elections where there is a serious third party, ross perot in the early '90s and the third-party candidatewn votes away from the incumbent. it's extremely unusual for a family member's opponent and the only one i can think of in recent history is ron reagan, who is ronald reagan's son. the recent head of the republican party ronna mcdaniel supported when her uncle, mitt romney did not. there were families who disagreed politically. >> to be there at thanksgiving. >> to go to the kennedy compound this summer. >> probably no invite. thanks, scott. >> an important recall to tell you about from trader joe's. shoppers beware because the chain is pulling its infinite herb brand organic basil from shelves after it was linked to a salmonella outbreak and it was sold here in california from february 1st to the april 6th. the cdc says 12 people from serve states have been infected with an outbreak strain of salmonella. if you purchased this basil you are being advised to throw it away or return it to trader joe's for a refund. >> let's go check the garden. >> and the weather finally cooperating a li

the ross perot museum ordered more than a million. but there are small batches, too. >> this was for a wedding. >> reporter: what about this one? >> that's hilarious. >> that's great. i didn't know those were up there. >> reporter: the silver black polymer film is a thousand times stronger than even the darkest sunglasses. nasa says it is never safe to look directly into the sun even when partly covered. >> that one is going to new orleans. this is going to new jersey. >> reporter: the race is on to get the last orders out ahead of a truly astronomical moment. >> this eclipse will be like 30 super bowls all wrapped in one. it will be the most bipartisan moment we're going to have in 2024. and i think the most important thing is to live in the moment. put your phone down. >> reporter: and look up at a phenomenon for the ages. cbs news. bartlett, tennessee. >>> with our special glasses at the ready, we will have live special coverage of monday's total eclipse beginning at 2:00 p.m. eastern, 11:00 a.m. pacific on cbs and streaming on par

he is the first candidate to be polling in double digits since ross perot 30 years ago.one hand, joy behar will scream about protecting democracy and will say well, on the other hand, he shouldn't be running for president and must be taken off ballots because he is a threat to democracy because he says that donald trump is a less threat to democracy than joe biden and he cites good reasons as far as biden and censorship and not giving him secret service protection and so on. this is "the view," most toxic, worst show on television and it ain't even close. >> carley: no one is talking about the threat to democracy outside of people on the news. parents, family, they are not talking about it, when did the tv people catch up with the regular people and stop talking about it? >> joe: leave tv, get out of the bubble, that safe space of manhattan and west side or out of washington, d.c., two places where everybody is talking to etch00 other and not talking to voters in wisconsin and michigan like donald trump did yesterday or pennsylvania or georgia or arizona or nevada, that

caller: ross perot and patrick henry. to bring it back where it is looking at the republican party going back to nixon. the more that i hear and read and consider from nixon to trump, looking at the republican party more dangerous as time progresses and as the media landscape allows for more of this destructive rhetoric. policies, trump, even the rnc now. i know that you say that nothing is unprecedented, but when i look at autocratic characters around the world it seems like we are in a different world scheme. it is in trouble but the people. about the people they manipulate. to normalize this kind of violence and rhetoric globally through a media landscape i think is dangerous. i wanted to know your thoughts. i know that it's a broad question, but this kind of tendency within the republican party globally, is there a way to get back some liberal democracies to have honest debates and a balance? guest: thanks again, alexander, for listening to the podcast. i'm delighted that you enjoy it. don't tune out c-span. this plac

caller: ross perot and patrick henry. to bring it back where it is looking at the republican party going back to nixon. the more that i hear and read and consider from nixon to trump, looking at the republican party more dangerous as time progresses and as the media landscape allows for more of this destructive rhetoric. policies, trump, even the rnc now. i know that you say that nothing is unprecedented, but when i look at autocratic characters around the world it seems like we are in a different world scheme. it is in trouble but the people. about the people they manipulate. to normalize this kind of violence and rhetoric globally through a media landscape i think is dangerous. i wanted to know your thoughts. i know that it's a broad question, but this kind of tendency within the republican party globally, is there a way to get back some liberal democracies to have honest debates and a balance? guest: thanks again, alexander, for listening to the podcast. i'm delighted that you enjoy it. don't tune out c-span. this plac

these parties don't care about the working man, so i voted for ross perot. now, the horse is out of the barnyard. is never going to be like it was coming i really don't know what these young kids are going to do for a living. that is about what i've got to say. i know she's not going to agree with me, but that is the way it was when i work through it. thank you. guest: i totally agree. [laughs] to me, this kind of -- the move away from manufacturing toward college is very much a democrat proposal, but i think before trump, the republican party obviously did not care about the working class at all, and, you know, people on the left will often say, you know, trump is all bluster when he talks about supporting working people. there is a lot of bluster there, but he has a very strong record. and if you just look at trade, you know, the caller's right, there was a handshake agreement on both parties on trade that we should ship all manufacturing overseas and in exchange we will get cheap products. it is not matter that americans will no longer have a home to put

he is getting up there to ross perot numbers.ads sports. >> dana: bill, i know you missed this. women's basketball great candace parker announced her retirement. two titles at tennessee, three in the wnba and two mvp awards. most valuable players. two gold medals, that's just scratching the surface. she made the announcement on the first day of training camp. my heart and body knew but i needed to get my mind time to accept it. time to retire but best of luck to her. >> bill: how did you do on the draft in the nfl? >> dana: great. fox sports gave me all i needed to know. i nailed it. we talked a lot about the bengals. by sunday i was like who is left? >> bill: i was watching still. >> dana: i saw number 527 goes to the bengals. congratulations to them. good luck to you. >> bill: we'll see how they do. this from the border now in el paso. check it out. [shouting] >> bill: you have these riots along the texas border. one d.a. has taken on the legal fight to try to put a stop to it. that d.a. will join us next. bop ease you back in

neil: you know, dan, i know everyone compares ross perot in 1990, he garnered 19% of the vote, but thehe didn't get any electoral votes, and he might have gotten more had he not abandoned his campaign early when he was leading in the polls and then the reentered the race too late to enter the polls, but for my money george wallace stands out in 1968. he won quite a few southern state, got 48 electoral votes, clearly damaged democratic candidate hubert humphrey. that was a palpable, real impact third party presence. is rfk that type of presence in. >> well, it's too early to say, but e it seems like the polls are conflicting a little bit because half of republicans have a favorable view of rfk jr., only 25% of democrats. and so those numbers give heart to some democrats who say they're going to take more votes away from republicans ask and trump, you know, with his anti-vaccine views than president biden. and so even -- what's interesting is in a third party, you know, we don't have any really role for a third party in the presidency because even if in an electoral college they were abl

that means, is the votes that he gets comes out of somebody's hide, and that hide as we saw with ross perothy? because most of those voters that move in that direction tend to be center-right voters, disaffected republicans, conservative independent voters, that play is one that has a tendency in this environment to work in reverse. instead of the republican losing that vote, joe biden is considered the more stable voter, and so that hurts him as opposed to hurting someone like donald trump. it's a mixed up bag, but this is where the campaign finds itself with someone like rfk in the mix. >> i keep hearing anecdotally, rfk is going to pull from trump, especially this new, appeals to the libertarian crowd, or he's dabbled in anti- vaccine and that goes to more maga folks. that anecdote. yesterday rfk junior's own words, he said that joe biden is a greater threat to our democracy then donald trump is. with a statement like that, isn't it a pretty clear admission that he wants donald trump to win? >> 100%, this is where we need to have a frank conversation with voters who think that a third-pa

. >> john: ross perot did it in 1992 a lot of people think they denied george bush a second term we will see. >> lots to chew over, great to see you. sandra? >> sandra: thank you, in an appeals court heard oral arguments today of texas immigration law now at the center of the state's border battle. let's go to david outside the courthouse there in new orleans. >> hey, sander, three judges on today's panel, one of the judges very skeptical of the arguments put forward by the united states. another kind of in the middle, and other did not utter a word. the reason we are here in new orleans is because this fifth circuit covers the state of texas. this controversial law senate bill signed into law by governor greg abbott has really experienced quite an up and down battle over the past several months since it was signed into law behind me on the courthouse steps that federal court. people protesting the loss saying it should be unconstitutional. hoping the judges inside the building possibly heard their cries. the u.s. government argued the border is federal territory and border agents should

he will not come close to, should he stay in this race, come close to anywhere near where ross perot eyeglasses on about this, the political consequences are real, and he hurts joe biden more than he hurts donald trump. and that's just the political reality of it. and then you have no labels, while that was the biggest waste of $80 million to ruin a brand i've ever seen, all of us were warning that this was going to end this way, and yet donors still continued to give to a narrative that was not real. it was not based in reality just like rfk's campaign is not based in the reality. y'all know his whole family is against his race, right? >> yeah. >> that should tell you anything and everything. >> and pretty passionately against it too, michael. >> yes. >> so i mean, here's the deal, though, like we said, he's only confirmed on one ballot, but his campaign and the pac supporting him say they have signatures to get him on half a dozen other states. i mean, in this race, though, he would only need to get on one battleground state, right? and get enough votes that potentially, michael, i

this could be one of the best years for a third-party candidate since essential in the 90s when ross perotning. >> just about a dozen members of the kennedy family showing their formal endorsement. we are told and the broader kennedy family is mostly shunned rfk's campaign calling into dangerous even as the candidate himself looks to capitalize on his last name and family history. that is live in philadelphia and the president will begin speaking shortly. we will monitor that as well, gillian. >> gillian: also this, sandra, iran looking to up the ante should israel respond by heading its nuclear facilities? we have general keith kellogg on tap to tell us what israel should do next plus this. >> it's deeply disturbing for me not only as a jewish student but someone who is deeply intertwined with israel, i have to ask myself this this is real i can't believe this is where i met. >> sandra: a tough situation for so many with jewish students just trying to go to class. brian kilmeade joins us in the spread of anti-semitism on our college campuses and universities and what we can do about it i'

no labels' problem, if you look historically at third parties, they come in like ross perot, even trump words, someone who didn't have political background that captures the imagination of people. but they were kind of going after retreads, i think, and it didn't work. paul: yeah. they, they also are going through the middle, right? >> right. paul: third parties need a galvanizing cause or a big personality. all right. when we come back, a fafsa fiasco. prospective college students are wondering if they'll be able to attend college this fall after yet another financial aid form setback. our panel on this next. g ♪ ♪et help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. (vo) dan made progress with his mental health... ...but his medication caused unintentional movements in his face, hands, and feet called tardive dyskinesia, or td. so his doctor prescribed austedo xr— a once-daily td treatment for adults. ♪as you go with austedo♪ austedo xr significantly reduced dan's td movements. some people saw a response as

in 1992 eccentric texas billionaire ross, perot's independent run, took enough votes from incumbent republican george h. w bush to hand the white house to democrat bill clinton. let us begin a new the most notorious 3rd party effect was on the 2000 election between texas governor george bush and vice president al gore. it comes down to florida. bush ends up winning florida by just a few 100 bucks. and so what explains that? well, the 3rd party candidates took enough votes away from al gore. but if he had had those votes, he would have present united states. and that brings us back to the independence running this year. they will most certainly lose, but the number of boats they may siphoned off from joe biden or donald trump in just a few states who decide the election. and that's why they are important for the us . and for the world. rob reynolds, l g 0, los angeles, us. and we're going to be right back in the top of the hour with continuing coverage of the is really strongly called an aide. cohen boy and gaza, which has killed 78 workers, 6 foreigners and one palestinian drawing internationa

clean it up a couple of things that kennedy's doing as well as any third party candidate has since ross perot people don't talk about that enough. he's on the ballot in arizona, which is i wouldn't say a must-win for biden, but it's close and he has real electoral consequences here. and i think what we often talk about is the horseshoe theory of politics, where on the far left and the far right often kind of meat and share a lot of similar views of you talked a lot of folks in 2016, you'd ask them who their first choice was, either say bernie or trump, and their second choice please was the other one. so there's a lot more ideological similarity and i think whether it's the right and the left and some of these outer edges. but you're right. i remember that interview very well. and he does try to have it both ways and this is seems to be one of those times well, no, this is i think for kennedy, this all goes back to his father, who he believes was assassinated by the cia. and so there's no conspiracy theory that he isn't interested in whether it's alternative explanations for what happened on

. >> ross perot had a couple of moments i mean, back in those elections, 1992, and i think to some extent 1996 where more 92. when bill clinton was elected president, where he was a serious contender, serious threat. >> and then at the end of the day ended up hurting george hw bush and helping bill clinton become president but so it is notable that the biden campaign is doing this, getting all the kennedys out there. oh, the big picture here is that these are two candidates who are broadly disliked and a lot of americans would like some other option hypothetically, the problem that all third party candidates end up having is that those, that big, amorphous group? group of voters who would like hypothetically, some kind of third choice don't necessarily agree on what it is. and when they learn more about rfk in his positions, whether it's democrats who might like the kennedy name, but then they learned that he's got these sort of cookies sort of right-wing coded views about conspiracy theories or what have you, they may or they see biden being endorsed by the kennedy family. maybe they pee

that he is the most popular in terms of this jarring and the polls, third party candidates since ross perot in, 1992, is the media making a mistake and not giving you more coverage? >> i think they should cover them completely and his vice presidential candidate, there's a lot there to cover and they should be treating them seriously. i think he has a lot of bros bros. a good example. but if rostra was around today, he'd appeal to trump voters minus here's what's really scared very for president biden. it's the fact that even though it does seem like kennedy is hurting trump somewhat, trump is still significantly ahead of biden in the swing states. so i mean, i think it's funny because biden was saying, i don't want third-party candidates in the race. i want to clear one-on-one contest. he might need other folks to jump in here to kind of chip away at trump's. >> it isn't something i'm talking about where kennedy appeals since kennedy has announced that he's not running as a democrat anymore but as an independent, the coverage of him in a lot of right-wing media, including my alma mater fox

months away from that helped or the election would be the strongest third-party performance since ross perot back in the 1996 and 1992 elections. but again, what you see here is that donald trump is still ahead of joe biden, even when you add kennedy in that three-point advantage. now, if you are in fact to drill down into those individual states that you hinted at, right? arizona, georgia, michigan, north carolina, and nevada, pennsylvania, wisconsin, the only two states when you include the third party candidates where we can say there's one candidate clearly ahead is arizona and north carolina where we have that eight point advantage. so again, it is a race that's close, but one at this point in which donald trump does in fact seem to have the advantage when you look at the overarching picture, boris so here i'm going to go. we alluded to the findings on middle-east policy. i'm wondering which candidate do people prefer on the issues that were pulled that stood out to you? >> yeah. >> so you mentioned the middle east policy. you mentioned the israel-hamas war, but take a look here, trust

at 18%, that's ross perot, like numbers there in april you say that's dangerous because donald trump would win the state. i know this is difficult, but when i asked you about your brother, you keep referring to donald trump and joe biden do you think your brother would be a good precedent i don't think that i'd seep in a question. >> we need to deal with today because there's only two people who are capable of getting 270 electoral college votes. so let's talk about el let's not talk about who might or might not be a good precedent. the question today is, who do you vote for when you go to the polls? are you going to vote for a country based on when, when martin luther king died and my father was speaking in indianapolis to crowd that john lewis had organized for him. he said we need me and states has not vision division. what we need in the united states is not anger and rage and lawlessness well evening, i did states is justice and compassion and peace. and especially towards those who suffer the most. and our country, whether they be white or they'd be black. that's what we're loo

caller: i voted for george wallace, ross perot, i raised 10,000 signatures for ross perot to be votedsouri. i voted for bush. i voted for obama. i have been all over the place. i am 81 years old, so i've seen a lot in this country. what scares the hell out of me right now is that we are losing our democracy and i think we are heading for a dictatorship, and it is the evangelicals, 13% in the congress in 2018 to 168 members, 31% in congress today. host: skip in missouri. back up to the supreme court, tammy thueringer. >> we are still waiting to see if people get into the oral arguments, about to start in 10 minutes. two people who are hoping to get in are with me now. what are your names? >> carol rich. >> robconkel. >> where are you from? >> st. thomas virgin islands. >> you got in last night and decided to come here? >> yes, we did. we knew before we came that this morning would be at historic argument so we decided to see if we could come down and witness it. >> have you been following the arguments and the immunity case at all? >> absolutely. of course. ever since this began. it's

the last time we had this was probably ross perot in 92 or 96 who polled as high as 39%. but but that didn't win any electoral votes over our elections or settled in the electoral college. wallace was the last major challenge where. somebody ran and got on the ballot in all 50 states and one electoral votes. wallace poll as high as 23% and 68. and he won 10 million votes and d n eleoral votes enough to kind of change the outcome. and so we have a third party candidate, i think most of the time you're not going to you don't think you have a cnce to win, but you want to play spoiler. you might be able to cut a deal with one side or the other. you have to be able to deny a victory. in some stat, at might be enough. overall as a goal. and so i think while it was really walla's strategy, what reason? the second reason wallace is important today is because if you're running a third party candidate or no labels or whatever it becomes, you really to stay in the wallace playbook. wallace got the ballot in all 50 states. he everywhere the district of columbia kept him out. and i al

wallace in '68, john anderson there 1980, of course, ross perot in 1992 who got 19%, still a huge debateesident bush believed that perot cost him the election, and when you dived into the data, it gets tricky, but when you have an alternative to the dualopoly, you have a very chancy place particularly because -- and this is why every single votes. particularly when you are talking about such deminimous margins, and this is a swing state, you know, 500 votes here, and 500 votes there, and to par phrase, you're talking about, that adds up to the presidency of the united states, and so i think everybody has to have -- if i may -- a mike johnson moment. a liz cheney moment. they have to decide this year -- >> right. >> -- where do you want history to judge you? how do you want history to judge you? and i think that this is that important. i really do. >>> coming up, we'll go live to the new york courthouse where opening statements are set to kick off this morning in donald trump's criminal hush money trial. a full preview of what to expect today when "morning joe" comes right back. o expect

i remember it distinctly and it was a foreshadowing in a lot of ways, it led to ross perot, and people could have won had things gone differently. the experts, media, everybody believed, including, you know, i even bought into it, that basically was japan was fully at that point and figured out how to have the globally dominant technology and was going to dominate everything, and that i went into college thinking i would have to speak japanese for the technology. and the economic boom kicked in and japan stalled out. the japanese stock market last week just actually returned to the high that it hit in 1993. and so, it was believed it was going to take over the world and literally had a 30-year sag and you know, they're not still not out of it. they still have issues and only gotten back to the 1993 levels, but that narrative was so strong and incredibly demoralizing at the time. 30 years later, talking how similar not completely the same, but similar the china narrative has been over the last decade and i'm skeptical of the china narrative as the japanese one. >> we'll get to that at t

and an you have ross perot in 1992 was the first with no previous elected experience.these others had previous elected experience including one former president. perrault was -- periot was the first outsider. he does not win a state that he got very high in 18%. and both parties take up the dead trade issue and it lingers. and now i think kennedy, i do not know if he will get 10% but i think he will be a factor. host: we will take your calls for your guest on third-party candidates and third parties in general. on the lines by party, so it is republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. and independents, 202-748-8002. what do you make of the no labels efforts that did not really go anywhere? guest: no labels, no candidate, no impact. it was kind of misguided. host: why? guest: take out one thing right, i will say and i write about this in my subsection that i was referring to and it is called under current so you can find that and subscribe for free. the no labels candidate who has maybe never emerged was built around the idea that people might want a third opti

these parties don't care about the working man, so i voted for ross perot.ow, the horse is out of the barnyard. is never going to be like it was coming i really don't know what these young kids are going to do for a living. that is about what i've got to say. i know she's not going to agree with me, but that is the way it was when i work through it. thank you. guest: i totally agree. [laughs] to me, this kind of -- the move away from manufacturing toward college is very much a democrat proposal, but i think before trump, the republican party obviously did not care about the working class at all, and, you know, people on the left will often say, you know, trump is all bluster when he talks about supporting working people. there is a lot of bluster there, but he has a very strong record. and if you just look at trade, you know, the caller's right, there was a handshake agreement on both parties on trade that we should ship all manufacturing overseas and in exchange we will get cheap products. it is not matter that americans will no longer have a home to put th

these parties don't care about the working man, so i voted for ross perot.ow, the horse is out of the barnyard. is never going to be like it was coming i really don't know what these young kids are going to do for a living. that is about what i've got to say. i know she's not going to agree with me, but that is the way it was when i work through it. thank you. guest: i totally agree. [laughs] to me, this kind of -- the move away from manufacturing toward college is very much a democrat proposal, but i think before trump, the republican party obviously did not care about the working class at all, and, you know, people on the left will often say, you know, trump is all bluster when he talks about supporting working people. there is a lot of bluster there, but he has a very strong record. and if you just look at trade, you know, the caller's right, there was a handshake agreement on both parties on trade that we should ship all manufacturing overseas and in exchange we will get cheap products. it is not matter that americans will no longer have a home to put th

ross perot said if you cannot make anything, you cannot buy anything.n running a trade deficit every year since 1976. trump or biden will not fix that. medicare and social security are causing a catastrophic increase in the national debt. baby boomers control over 53% of the nation's wealth and they are getting health care and social security every single month. it is sad what is happening to this country. you look at military spending, the pentagon failed an audit for six years. china, russia, they have more warships than the united states. i can understand what is happening to the country and the disrespect to the taxpayers. host: can be hold on just a second? former trump -- president trump is outside the new york courtroom. >> we have this company. i put up 175 million dollars in cash but she says the bonding company is no good. she doesn't like the bonding company because she doesn't know if the collateral is good. i put up 175 million in cash and she is questioning the bonding company. when the number is 175 which is what we are supposed to be put

you think back to ross perot, got about 19%. rfk jr. at 14% here. should democrats be concerned about rfk jr. polling as high as he is? >> absolutely. we should be concerned about everything, willie. especially in a race where you can argue hillary clinton lost, in part, because of the third parties getting 6%, democrats still have ptsd from 2000 in florida with nader. that's why rfk is the one thing that makes the polls confusing. you just don't know in what state who he is pulling votes for. if you are a democrat or republican, yeah, he's the thing you don't know about. from a campaign manager, that's the stuff that keeps you up at night. you can control everything else, but there's some things you can't control. let's be honest, rfk is something you cannot control. >> ceo of the messina group, jim messina, thank you very much for coming on this morning. >>> coming up, our next guest is out with a simple formula for financial security. professor of marketing at the nyu stern school of business scott galloway will walk us through what he says you n