and if this report is true that the team president, andy rosser, donald sterling asked him to delete the recording from the smartphone, if you will. how serious is the charge? could there be some legal recourse? >> well, i don't think it would actually lead to a criminal case against donald sterling. this was not after all a government investigation that was being obstructed. but it is yet another ground for the nba to take the franchise away. and it would make -- and if it is true it would make any effort to get the courts to intervene and stop the forced sale of the clippers that much more difficult. so it is very bad news to donald sterling. but it is not news that i think p puts him in any sort of criminal jeopardy. >> because trying to destroy evidence or lying, don, as you know they are very serious charge are -- charges that are levelled against donald sterling and his wife, shelly. >> the more i read about it, it is a mess, a soap opera. and you're right, anybody involved in this, in the sterling camp whether it is rossa or donald himself or shelly, they should be looking at