. >> my name is rossizenberg, i'm -- national associate of manufacturers. i'm very pleased to come before the subcommittee today to discuss logan coal company's first mine and what the retroactive veto of that permit -- manufacturers really need predictability from the regulatory process. they must understand the rules of the road so they can make responsible, informed investment decisions. this lack of predictability is precisely the problem with the spruce mine case that we're here to discuss today. the spruce mine detail was at its core a $250 million decision by epa that created a $220 billion problem. so let's talk fist about the $250 million. arch logan intended to create at least 250 new well paying jobs in west virginia. now about that $220 billion problem, as ms. harper noticed before me, it issues 16,000 -- more than 220 billion zlrz of investment annually is conditioned on the issuance of these permits. and this includes pipelines, transportation infrastructure, agriculture and many other sectors, for as long as the -- under which 4 04 permits mi