you know, when i was in prison, too, i read the rostenkowski book, mr. chairman, and i read that book and tried for the life of me to figure out how rostenkowski went to prison and the rest of the place didn't. i read it. i read what he did, and he had some chairs and things, and it was just -- [inaudible] nothing. the siegelman case is interesting because especially the fact that rove refused to, you know, give information. >> and i don't know why obama -- [inaudible] >> no, i don't know why somebody couldn't have -- [inaudible] at that time. it was a legal case. but it was just a very, you know, fascinating deal. and, of course, abramoff was involved in the money raising. >> abramoff, when he came out, i went to one of his lectures, and i said how much money did you -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> yeah. $20 million. by the way, it's not -- [inaudible] when he got out. he said $20 million. >> to what end? this man has been in jail -- >> here's the kicker -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> he wrote about it in the book. he was -- [in

i read the rostenkowski both come on mr. chairman. i read that book and tried for the life of me to figure out how you want to present and the rest of the place didn't. i wrote what he did. the siegelman case is interesting because the fact they refused to give information. [inaudible conversations] is just a very fascinating dio and of course abram off was involved in the money raising. .mac [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> i just found it very fascinating when i looked at the facts on the issue of what on earth happens. of course abram off spent all that money. >> when i got out of morgantown federal prison, that time i did something i swore i wouldn't do, which is to listen to ellen ratner telling me that i needed to do radio. i just need to be quiet and sit around a little bit. she said you had some mixed. his knowledge or working history of politics and government, so do it. the first show we did, i knew thom hartmann was. i got a lot of respect for thom hartmann. today