we will talk with our permanent expert political scientist and historian rostislav ishchenko arslan good astislav. and where does all this craving for paraphernalia come from today, and the ukrainian nationalists of the times of the great patriotic or civil war have some kind of chevrons, so to speak, signs of the banner of the emblem, that is there really no historical memory of what veterans told all of them what they saw in soviet films , well, firstly, after all, nationalist nazi symbols, and not only and not even so much after the war they were forced, because they were fleeing from the soviet union from the snake, and so they considered the germans their and ideological inspirers nazis. therefore, there is nothing surprising in the fact that their descendants, who are now following the same path, profess the same values. this is the first moment of the second moment. uh, ukraine was created as anti-russia, there can’t be another, in principle, here every time ukraine was created, it tried to act once the fulfillment is their power. they are proud of it. and this is their past. and