rostow became general -- >> had impressed him as all that masterful about any of the big issues that they faced in cuba, berlin, or vietnam. that's a strong indictment it seems to me. he was someone who grew in the office. was badly burned by the cuban bay pig experience. he had listened to the experts, see? c.i.a., joint chiefs of staff. and he said, and he went to see e gall in france, made the trip in 1961. and the gall said to him, you should surround yourself with the smartest possibly people. listen to them. hear what they have to say. but at the end of the day you have to make up your own mind. and he kennedy remembered what harry truman said, the buck stops here. after the bay of pigs he was determined to make up his own mind, hear what these experts had to say, weigh what they were telling him but at the end of the day he was going to make the judgment and he was the responsibility party and you see that, you say that -- that was abundantly clear when you listen to all those and read e transcripts of all those those tapes during the cuban missile crisis. you know he hell the