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anna roth will be leaving her post for a new role with tahoe forest health system. contra costa health recently announced. it's been heartbreaking. it's been really heartbreaking. in may, a nurse whistleblower came forward saying while roth was ceo, a new medi-cal program contra costa health operates called enhanced care management, was ignoring patient medical needs and falsifying records to show nurses saw patients when no such visits took place or were handled by someone without medical experience. it's extremely dangerous. it's negligent. do you have firsthand knowledge of patients being harmed or dying as a result of this? yes. yes they do. in december, nurse manager irene graham revealed her identity as that whistleblower, hoping more of her colleagues would come forward. her complaints and nbc bay area's reporting, have since prompted a criminal investigation by the state justice department's medi-cal, fraud and elder abuse division, according to sources close to the investigation and audit by the department of health care services, action by contra costa hea

and these workers have just finished their shift at roth farms. they're arriving back at their housing complex. juan manuel and the others invite us to meet them after their work day is over. yeah. what do you do this time of the day? yeah. when you get here from work. >> de la. >> tarde llegamos. >> a comer. dinner's at six c. we can go with him. he's inviting us up. wow. muchas cosas aqui. no, they've been working ten hours today. they work six, sometimes seven days a week. they have just a few things that they need. a few changes of clothes, some snacks and not much privacy. juan manuel shows us his setup. now. the de la familia. he says what he makes is about $16 an hour. so here what you make in an hour, as he puts it, is an entire day's work in mexico. this is his third year on the visa work program, he said. the money that he makes here, he's able to support his family in mexico as well, and help his mom and dad and brother and sister, para poder sobrevivir. and he said, that's what you need to do to survive. you can see all the workers now

. >> as roth farms sits.t on the western edge. >> of. >> palm beach county, florida. >> it certainly doesn't feel. >> like the. >> beaches of palm beach. >> but it has the weather. >> which can be brutally hot and humid for. >> those. >> working these fields. yet, despite his need. >> for a reliable. and cost efficient workforce. >> roth says he supports president. >> trump's stance on immigration. >> is it. >> going to get. >> more difficult to. >> get workers, you. >> think under. president trump and the crackdown on immigration? >> no, i think it actually will get easier. we just want people to be vetted, and. >> we want. >> good workers that are coming out. come out here. >> so the h-2a visa program. >> may seem like. >> a perfect. solution to. >> keep predominantly. >> migrant workers. employed on farms like this. >> one here in florida. >> but critics point out. >> that it doesn't cover. >> every. >> person or every situation. say, for example, those migrants who. >> are fleeing. >> violent and. dangero

and these workers have just finished their shift at roth farms. they're arriving back at their housing complex. juan manuel and the others invite us to meet them after their work day is over. yeah. what do you do this time of the day? yeah. when you get here from work. >> llegamos a comer. >> dinner is at 630. we can go with him. he's inviting us up. muchas cosas aqui. no, they've been working ten hours today. they work six, sometimes seven days a week. they have just a few things that they need. a few changes of clothes, some snacks and not much privacy. juan manuel shows us his setup. now. de la familia. he says what he makes is about $16 an hour. so here what you make in an hour, as he puts it, is an entire day's work in mexico. this is his third year on the visa work program, he said. the money that he makes here, he's able to support his family in mexico as well, and help his mom and dad and brother and sister, para poder. >> sobrevivir. >> and he said, that's what you need to do to survive. you can see all the workers now are gathering from

jessica roth, yeshiva university cardozo school of law: this is a highly unusual situation, to put itt is very unusual for the deputy attorney general to direct prosecutors in a u.s. attorney's office to drop a case that has already been indicted. and the memo that contains that direction says a number of things that are highly, highly disturbing. laura: yes, i want to talk about that memo. in it to prosecutors, acting u.s. deputy attorney general emil bove said the case should be dismissed because it restricts mayor adams' ability to -- quote -- "devote full attention and resources to the illegal immigration and violent crime that both claims escalated under president biden." bove also cited adams' reelection campaign. jessica, these look like expressly political reasons for dropping this case. what do you make of them? jessica: yes, they do come across as expressly political reasons. and that's exactly the opposite about how decisions about who shall be prosecuted should be made. and that's part of why decisions about whether cases should proceed are ordinarily left to the professio

reporter: jessica roth, former federal prosecutor with the southern district of new york, thank you forou. ♪ amna: with democrats in the minority, they're searching for ways to serve as a check on republican power in congress and at the white house. andy kim entered the u.s. senate late last year after spending his entire working life in government service at usaid, the u.s. state department, national security council and the u.s. house. this weekend, the new jersey democrat declared the country to be on the cusp of a constitutional crisis. senator kim joins us now from capitol hill. welcome. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. amna: what does it mean to you to be on the cusp of a constitutional crisis? what does that mean? >> that means right now we are already in a place where the trump administration is engaging in lawless activity through unilateral executive branch actions rather than coming through congress, we see the efforts of firing or putting on administered of leave employees that are now lawsuits there. one thing i'm concerned about is i'm not sure that this exe

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i guess i'll have to call you a former ktvu reporter, rob roth.roth recently retired amber lee holding it down at ktvu for so long now, you you both knew dennis worked with him for decades. rob, we'll start with you. >> yeah, well, first when i started, i mean, dennis was such a big star in the, in this bay area, probably the biggest name in news in, in the whole region. so when i first got hired back in 1984, all my friends, all they wanted to know was, what's dennis richmond, what's dennis richmond really like? and to be quite honest, you know, to meet him for the first couple of times, it's a little intimidating. he's such a big presence and a lot of charisma. and it could have been a movie star or an athlete. at least we looked and he kind of. you had to prove yourself to him. you know, he gave you a fair chance, but he wasn't going to, you know, embrace you until he could see if you had game. and that was really important to him. and, you know, if you didn't, it was going to be tough sledding to get along with dennis. but if you did, you know

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rob roth, good to see you. i'm sorry. it's under these circumstances, but but thank you for coming to share your thoughts today. we appreciate it. >> thanks guys. >> much more on the life and career of our colleague dennis richmond, including some thoughts from some of our viewers. [music] >> such a sweetheart. just a man with a void that you can never fabricate. i'm going to miss him, truly. [music] he was always a part of our family. >> dennis richmond had a big impact on the local news and generations of local viewers mourn his life and the impact on bay area- [music] families. when we come back here e for all those making it big out there... ...shouldn't your mobile service be able to keep up with you? get wifi speeds up to a gig at home and on the go. introducing powerboost, only from xfinity mobile. now that's big. xfinity internet customers, cut your mobile bill in half vs. t-mobile, verizon, and at&t for your first year. plus, ask how to get the new samsung galaxy s25+ on us. ktvu anchor dennis richmond. to viewer

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ceo anna roth is leaving contra costa health as the state justice department's medi-cal, fraud and elderse division investigates whether a county run medi-cal program that she

russell roth, president of the american medical association, discussed challenges facing the healthcare system beyond just the cost of care. take a look at what he said then. - ignorance, fear, patient neglect, faith in substitutes for good medical care, the quackeries, the frauds, and so on, these are barriers that are now becoming more important than the dollar barrier. - 50 years later, with the rise of social media, ignorance, quackeries, the frauds, seem to be an even bigger obstacle. how can public health officials confront the spread of misinformation in our current media climate? - it's an interesting clip. and there is a lot of similarities and there are some differences. clearly, he's not using the term mis- or disinformation, but it is a driver today of people not wanting to expose themselves because they don't know who to trust. so i think it's important. but the other point is the value of prevention. so we focus a lot more now on the noninfectious, non-communicable disease that are largely driven by our behaviors: sedentary activity, weight gain, type-two diabetes, living

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jeff toobin is back also, along with his former federal prosecutor, jessica roth.urrently teaches at new york's cardozo school of law and cnn chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller, who was deputy commissioner of the nypd. and he served under mayor adams. so, jeff, is this surprising? >> this is one of the most bizarre situations i have. i have ever seen. i mean, here this guy is indicted and, you know, by a very respected office, he he makes complaints that he was politically targeted. >> right. he says because he complained about immigration under the biden administration, he was targeted. >> which there is absolutely no evidence of. and the justice department now under the new trump administration, dismisses the case against him, but says, well, we don't know whether he's guilty or not, but we want him to fight crime. i mean, this is what happens in authoritarian. >> he's essentially they essentially are saying that this fighting these charges takes away from his ability to pursue help the trump administration with immigration. >> correct. and th

roth there, and they're also supporters of his take on immigration, his crackdown that we are seeing going forward with these deportations. but as these deportations move forward, they also warn that this is an urgent moment to move forward and it looks like we lost david culver's fee. >> david culver reporting. >> have to continue. >> david, we have you back of about 30 more seconds. sorry. >> yeah. you got me now. >> yep. >> no worries out here in palm beach county. i mean, there are aspects of this county that obviously are quite rural, but no, the farmers that we spoke with as they support president trump, they also believe that he has to move forward with this. anderson, they say, really you look at the food supply in this country and it is reliant on these workers. the visa program, though, has its limitations. they say under the department of labor, it is just really cumbersome, really complicated. and they say it's got to be made cheaper, particularly when you think about those smaller farmers. >> david culver thanks. the news continues here on cnn. >> outfront next, the brea

if you ever if you ever saw the movie the godfather two, there's hyman roth, who was meyer, and there's a guy called gianni zola who's based on jimmy aiello. and i've known jimmy's family for forever as well. and what they what they were telling me is joe. joe kennedy knew jimmy aiello from the racetracks and gambling. they owned illegal gambling in south florida. and he approached jimmy aiello and jimmy said, i want anything to do with fixing elections. you might think this is what we all like to do. this is not something i want to get involved with. jimmy and meyer and luciano felt burned after going to the 1932 presidential convention, where they supported roosevelt on the condition that roosevelt agreed to pull back on going after the mob while roosevelt got their support through tammany hall, the political machine, and proceeded to go after the mafia anyway. and if you'll forgive my language, lucky luciano was asked late in life how he felt about what what roosevelt did and luciano said he is a no good -- -- double crosser. of course it was the right move and i would have done the

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roth there, and they're also supporters of his take on immigration, his crackdown that we are seeing going forward with these deportations. but as these deportations move forward, they also warn that this is an urgent moment to move forward. and. >> it looks like we lost david culver's fee. david culver reporting. >> have to continue. >> david, we have you back about 30 more seconds. sorry. >> yeah. you got me now. yep. no worries out here in palm beach county. i mean, there are aspects of this county that obviously are quite rural, but no, the farmers that we spoke with as they support president trump, they also believe that he has to move forward with this. anderson. they say, really, you look at the food supply in this country and it is reliant on these workers. the visa program, though, collins starts now. i'll see you tomorrow. >> straight from the source tonight. days after the air disaster over the potomac. elon musk says president trump has given him the authority to make, quote, rapid safety upgrades to the nation's air traffic control system. what exactly does that entail?

after 32 years with the county contra costa health ceo anna roth announced she is retiring.tarted her work as a registered nurse and martinez in 1993. contra costa health says under her leadership contra costa expanded safety-net services and watch programs addressing environmental health, homelessness and emergency medical services. the contra costa county board of supervisors will discuss replacing roth at its next meeting. she is moving to serve as president and ceo of the tahoe forest health system in march. so makers get their big-screen debut today. the emeryville phil festival takes over and see base 3.16, from noon to 10:00pm. the event showcases documentaries, animated movies and live action narratives. some of the animators work at pixar. these movies are their passion projects outside of work. and we've all residents can get one ticket for free. still ahead on the kron 4 morning news, a warning for bay area pet owners after a case of bird flu was confirmed and house cat. >> what local animal experts say to look out for. >> would reach out to them for updates. we w

so rohit kulkarni at roth estimates 30. >> to 40% of those who. >> sell on amazon import.hird parties. they may really be the ones here absorbing more of those cost increases. amazon sells fewer goods directly. compare that to, you know, a walmart or a target, for example. and then mexico, where tariffs are set to be 25%. that makes up less than 10% of amazon's seller base. so there is an impact. >> prices are. >> likely to go higher. the upside tariffs are taking aim at a. trade loophole. it's gotten a lot of attention. it's helped amazon's competitors. she had tamu as i mentioned they've skyrocketed in popularity really by undercutting on price. >> and they've used what's known as the de minimis. >> exemption, which lets exporters ship packages. worth less than $800 into the us duty free. that is going to be going away. dan ives of wedbush is among those that thinks that dynamic makes tariffs a net positive for amazon. the company does report earnings on thursday. >> investors are. >> really going to want to know about amazon. what levers can the company pull, how are th

we spent hours yesterday after the noon show in the newsroom talking to, you know, rob roth and randy sandoval, rita williams, you know, kind of the ktvu family of yesterday and yesteryear. we as soon as the news came out, we all started calling each other and just being together. a tribute to what dennis was to all of us. >> indeed. i you know, i think about how dennis richmond, when i came here, i didn't know my way around or many people he had take my number. it was his personal number and we didn't talk often, but from time to time we would just talk. and he wanted to hear what i thought. i really wanted to hear what he thought. and he was always kind to me. my wife and my family. he was just a great man. and for many of our ktvu viewers, dennis richmond was part of the family. still is a fixture. every night on the 10:00 news, and he clearly stayed in their memories even after he left the business. >> i know this happened to you, but like every every day up until like yesterday, if you're out reporting, even if you're just at the grocery store, people say, hey, how's dennis? firs

roth, the main guy attitude at the time, signed an affidavit saying they were talking specifically about the laptop that could be hunter biden's pre-bunking it, calling it a rush operation. they knew it was his laptop. so the rot is deep, and the timeframe is now. and i am glad, because reform was needed. senator durbin referenced your book -- i actually think it's a good book. everyone should read the book. i want to ask you about some quotes in the book because a lot of did you say that? mr. patel: i did. >> accountability is an optional. those who violate public trust must face no consequences regardless of the rank or title, did you say that? mr. patel: i did say that. sen. schmitt: there is a lot more in that. i know senator tillis has the game of bingo. i'd like to play another game, "would you rather?" [laughter] would you rather the spi prosecute and persecute parents who voiced legitimate concerns that school board meetings, or should it investigate domestic terrorists who commit school shootings and threaten the lives of american children? mr. patel: absolutely investigate and

last friday, we had a walk through with director sen eric anderson, brandon young and joe roth. lautner from rec and park. we'll have a fulsome update on the projected park staffing levels and budget at our february meeting. and that concludes my comments for today. okay. thank you. any comments or questions by the board? any comments from the public hearing? none. next item please. item number four communications from and received by tida. this was in your boy package. any comments or questions by the board? yeah, i just want to. okay. miss richardson thank you. commissioners, i think i want to take this opportunity to thank the outgoing mayor breed for supporting tida. and, you know, thank her a lot. you know, our agency is is is is is is is is s . >> i have a lot to do here and so that's just what i want to say for the record. >> thank you. thank you very much linda. any comments from the public hearing none. >> next item please. item number five ongoing business by board of directors . >> any items that the board would like to bring up hearing none and anything from the publ