farming >> no, we do have a farming community in rother valley. >> i've had a number of conversations with farmers who've raised issues as to it, but i think some of the scaremongering, if i may, from the conservative leadership on this issue, is completely disconnected to the reality on the ground and that's my experience. there are issues, of course, and difficult decisions. that's what government is about. but i don't think the reality is, let's see the demonstrations next week . next week. >> thousands are coming down. you're wrong. you're destroying the farming community. >> we'll see. you can't blame it on tories, though. farmers are upset too, aren't they? i mean, they are concerned about it. or are they also overblowing it? >> no, look, there are legitimate concerns, but these are difficult decisions that were made in the budget. governments have to make difficult decisions. we're engaging with the farming community. actually, labour did very well just a few months with the farming community where we run a countless rural seats. so i just think it's a labour issue. we need to