you know, we did produce van gogh and rothko, and jackson pollock. we did build notre dame.. and you've talked about it, made documentaries about it, and that is the question of, how many humans this planet can sustain? we are currently at over 7 billion... 7.4, yeah. you made a documentary which suggested that that could well get to 10 billion, and you were very worried about it. i've read a lot of demographic experts in recent months saying, "actually, the trends" — and they use the word jaw—dropping — "the trends are jaw—dropping in a different direction, that many countries, including japan could see the population of their country half by the end of the 21st century. actually, we may never get to 10 billion, we may stick at around 8.8 billion." do you think in retrospect, you and others who talk about the dangers of overpopulation got it wrong? one of the things that i want to be really clear about is that, when i've talked about overpopulation, considering humans as organisms irrespective of their colour, race, political belief, so on and so forth — what it is intrinsi