the reason governments do carbon taxes is not so they can rousseau missions, but so they can get moreenue in the government's pocket. that's cynical, but isn't it the truth. >> well, that's not going to help out for anyone. that's not going to stimulate anything. but the way they did it in canada is they had to offset income taxes for corporations -- >> you should mention even they don't have a national program in canada, a couple of provinces have done it. >> yeah. and are let's not forget that exxon, mobile, bp, are all big natural gas producers. they set to began when we're making certain parts of energy dirty in certain parts of energy better. >> right. and, well, that's what we hear, "the new york times" that it's claims businesses are in favorite, which i think is a bunch of -- i think what they're doing is among a couple of the things, a couple of big businesses trying to please obamacare other governments. >> they also want to get rid of all of this uncertainty, carbon tax, carbon omissions issue. if you don't have this tax, will it be at some point in the future the epa will