and yet we just heard roxane gay say it is hard because it just keeps happening over and over again.>> well, no, i mean i see a direct line from lynching to this, right? lynching is, i think de fined as extra legal, execution. anddthat's really what happened, right, chauvin was working outside the bounds of what was acceptable. and i was in the court room in los angeles for that second trial after the riots there. and i saw how hard it is to bring police officers to justice. how hard it is to put them in jail. we thought that second treatment was also going to have them all walk and as you may recall two did, and two did not. and of course i was in baltimore right after the being and killing of freddie gray. and agn, you know, so i understand the frustration. in my citings, the peaceful, the peaceful crowd and the make-up of that crowd giving me some hope, it is also a call out to education, quite frankly. right, is the power of education and the power of art to, you know, increase empathy and just teach people more about the world. >> woodruff: what is it going to take roxane gay, i

i that question of author and cultural critic roxane gay, who wroteer this month in the "new york times quote, eventually doctors will find coronavirus vaccine, but black people will continue to wait despite thef futility hope for a cure for racism. we will live with the knowledge that a h is not a vaccine for white supremacy. we live with the knowledge that still no one is coming to save ha. roxanne,s for being with us. so what do you think it is about the call for equity and equality this time that is different? a lot of people are saying it's different. >> yes. actually i just wrote a piece haying to think through is happening in this moment? and i don't know. i really can't say. because ts previ murders of black people by police officers werequly asbrutal. and so i don't know why this one pushed pple over theedge, but i think it's the timing. we don't have the distraction o. spor we don't have the distraction of movies. we don't have work. so we have a lot of time to sit and contemplate the world. >> i thinkhren the cooper veo is left out of this the video of the birder in central p