the editor on two of our books was a man named roy gutwell and he was almost like a third collaborator. we would often finish a chapter in our office late at night and yelling at each other and shouting and he would mediate the differences. so, it was an interesting experience. >> what about writing about his funeral? was that difficult for you to write about? >> yes, it was. extremely difficult. to tell you the truth, i had not planned to write a column about it. i thought it was too tough. then i got a call from fred hyatt, the editorial page editor at the -- i don't know if he was the editorial page editor or not. i'm not sure he had taken over, but whoever was at "the post" called me up -- >> "the washington post," uh-huh. >> -- and said for my next column did i want to write about roly, if not they would write an editorial. i thought, i better write an editorial. not that they wouldn't do a good job but i had some special things to say. i also gave the funeral eulogy at -- i was -- >> you write about that. >> yes, i do write about it. and i was not -- i was not his best friend. i