the state did not call roy kronk in this case, because roy kronk's testimony about what he did on december 11th, 2008 is embellished. roy likes to spin a good yard. but what roy said he did on december 11th is impossible. we didn't put roy kronk on to tell you a story that the evidence in the case just isn't true. i would also submit to you that roy's claim that he just happened upon that scene for the second time is equally uncredible. that doesn't mean that he staged the scene, that he stole all that stuff. what it means is that roy likes to spin a good yarn. i submit to you based on the evidence what occurred in this case is that roy found the skull as he said he did back in august. tried to report it three times and he got blown off and said the heck with it. i'm over this. maybe it really wasn't. but then he starts communicating with his son. he starts telling his son. hey, i know where the skull is. and his son is impressed. he's trying to get this relationship with his son. he thinks wouldn't it be great to impress my son. so he goes back to the scene and it's still there. roy becom

roy kronk, it's on tape. nobody wanted to listen to him, so he gave up. four months later, he came back, reported it it's still there. you can looked at the photographs of that body and without any assistance from expert testimony tell that body has been there for a very, very long time. it didn't just get set there. that tape didn't just get put on that skull. you know how you know that because the tape is decomposed just like everything else is. you've seen photographs of the tape. you've got it in evidence. that tape has been out there for a very long time. you heard testimony from the -- ms. lowe, the fiber analyst, who told you that that tape didn't even have any cotton in it. we know it's the same tape as the tape in the garbage, but that tape had been out there for so long, it didn't even have cotton in it anymore. she couldn't even tell scientifically they were the same. everyone can see they are the same. that's how long it had been there. the tape did not just get out there a few days before. all the evidence says that that's impossible. >> look

because roy kronk's testimony about what he did on december 11, 2008, is embellished. roy likes to spin a good yarn. but what roy said he did on sa n december 11 is impossible. we don't put him on the stand to tell you evidence in the case that isn't true. i also submit to you that roy claimed he just happened upon that scene for a second time is equally uncredible. that doesn't mean he staged the scene. what it means is that roy likes to spin a good yarn. i submit to you based on ought evidence what occurred in this case is roy found the skull as we know he did back in august. he tried to report it three times. and he got blown off. and said, to heck with it. i'm over this. maybe it really wasn't. but then he starts community quaight his son. he starts telling his son, i know where the skull is and his son is impressed. he he's trying to get this relationship back with his son. wouldn't it be great to impress my son. so he goes back to the scene. and it's still there. and roy becomes a hero. and roy tells a very, very dramatic story about lifting up the bag and the sku

did you defame roy kronk. >> anti defamation action. let me explain something to you from the top.uly be a hero. roy cronk is going to be a hero in the case. by following the lawsuit against me he has given me the right to take under oath under penalty of perjury depositions of his girlfriend the individuals involved in the case, casey anthony, baes, cindy, george lee, all of face see's friends. everybody materially mentioned in this lawsuit i can take their testimony under oath. >> you are relishing the fact you are going to put them under oath and answer questions. where did you get law enforcement listened to a conversation on baes and casey cronk's girlfriend to give him the body wrchlt did you get that from? >> kronk's ex his son his sister parents were in a party in st. cloud who works in the jail. he told them a few days before thanksgiving in 2008 i know where the body is at i am waiting for the daughter to get down then i am going for the body. he was off by 72 feet. >> i got to tell you leonard i will give you this. in the lawsuit that you are accused of saying kronk move

>> i don't know what to make of roy kronk. i know the defense pushed the issue with him.i just -- there wasn't much time spent on him for us to generate a strong feeling towards roy kronk. i do think he did -- he stated that he did remove the remains at a time. he picked a bag up at one point a skull came out. >> greta: you don't think he moved it from the house? >> no. there's nothing that puts him in that house. there's nothing that shows consistently he was involved in the anthony family. that was not something that i really took into consideration. >> greta: straight ahead, the foreman does not hold back when talking about george anthony. and his many suspicions about him. stick around. >> the prosecution is hugely disappointed. does prosecutor jeff ashton have any regrets? what is the deal with the prosecutor's smirking situation? situation? jeff ashton is here. naturals from delicious, real ingredients with no artificial flavors or preservatives. naturals from purina cat chow. share a better life. >> greta: what do you say to those who criticized this jury's verdict

>> i don't know what to make of roy kronk. i know the defense pushed the issue with him.i just -- there wasn't much time spent on him for us to generate a strong feeling towards roy kronk. i do think he did -- he stated that he did remove the remains at a time. he picked a bag up at one point a skull came out. >> greta: you don't think he moved it from the house? >> no. there's nothing that puts him in that house. there's nothing that shows consistently he was involved in the anthony family. that was not something that i really took into consideration. >> greta: straight ahead, the foreman does not hold back when talking about george anthony. and his many suspicions about him. stick around. >> the prosecution is hugely disappointed. does prosecutor jeff ashton have any regrets? what is the deal with the prosecutor's smirking situation? jeff ashton is here. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more amecans, man

this roy kronk, should he be looked into? should the father be questioned?d the mother's statements be brought up? should they pursue this further or will they let it drop? >> listen, i'm a firm believer when it is over it is over. the defense won this case. anything the prosecution does after this is really going to look like sour grapes. they can go after the mother for the confusing testimony as to whether she was at work or not. her mother was the prosecution's star witness that is not going anywhere. this woman should get credit time served tomorrow. everybody should go on with their lives. [ talking over each other ] >> the only one who knows what happened is her mother and we are never going to know that story. the prosecution is so invested in her being the person they are never going to8:[ñ pursue anybody else. >> sean: what i didn't like about roy kronk he finds the body and telling his son -- >> you don't find amazing people in murder trials. he didn't do it, the anthony family is saying this was an accident. >> sean: if you are sitting on a jury

roy kronk admitted to move the remains a bit with his peter stick.here was reasonable doubt as to whether this duct tape was placed over her nose and mouth and whether or not, in fact, this was the instrument of death. >> i want to show our viewers another photo released by the court again. this was a laundry bag taken from the scene in which is where the body was found, in this bag. jeff toobin, part of the prosecution case was there were similar bags in the anthony family garage, therefore, you can connect the dots. the jury did not want to do that. they decided circumstantial perhaps but not enough to convince but to convict. >> that bag was nothing so extraordinary and unique. there are a lot of plastic bags that look like that in the world, a lot of people use them. i think sometimes you just have a prosecution that may have tried too hard. there was some so-called scientific evidence in this case like a supposed scientific proof of the smell of death in the car that was frankly not very believable and not probative of much of anything. sometime

the man who discovered the remains in the woods, the roy kronk was somehow a morally bankrupt individual who was trying to profit off of the growing reward money for the disappearance of caylee anthony, and then we heard as the defense presented the case over these month-long days, 33 days, we heard that jose baez did not have that exact information, and he was unable to elicit testimony on the stand to present his case, but again, it was not the defense's case to prove, but it was the prosecution's case to prove, and it appears that the jury listened to this, and their conclusion is that the prosecution did not prove that she was guilty of murder. >> all right. kerry, as you pointed out that the jurors in the casey anthony trial will be speaking here, and just as compelling certainly as the verdict is how they came to this decision. that will be the next step, and savannah is here with me, and so thursday -- go ahead, kerry. sorry? >> i want to throw one thing out. when i was listening to the closing in the courtroom on sunday i noticed juror five who is a woman with gray hair in her 60

but remember, even though roy kronk later comes up and says he put a stick through the skull and moved it around, anybody that is six months in the environment, in storms, in marsh, and animals pulling the body apart, you can't rely on the position of the body, which is what the medical examiner relied upon to call it a homicide. that body has been moved around in all different ways, and the position of the body when it was found six months ago is not necessarily related to the position it was when it was first placed there. greg: joey, i hear people talking about this case who really didn't care much about it in the days that it was actually on trial, but you know, people who can't believe that she was exonerated by this jury. i mean i guess that is the system, we have to accept the jury and accept the verdict and respect the jury. >> you know what is interesting, jon, the more i do this. the more confused i become. you never know what a jury is actually going to do. they focus on issues. in this case incidentally when you talk about not establishing the cause of death, well you know

. >> gregg: meter reader roy kronk is allegedly the latest to threaten a defamation lawsuit.nty hunter on a claim of defamation. defamation is a false statement that damages somebody's good name. that would assume, of course, that roy kronk, robert, has a good name to be damaged. >> his name has been dragged through the mud at his own cause, through the course of the trial. however, i was reading parts of the claim, that mr. kronk's attorneys filed. he has a leg to stand on. the bounty hunter over three years accused him of killing caylee, been in cahoots with the family of covering up the murder, and then being a plant for the police department. they told him where the body was so he would get the reward money. if he can prove that one of those is false or two of those is false, then he has to prove damages. the problem will be what are the damages? >> please, mr. creepo is going to make money out of this? i don't think so. >> gregg: careful. i don't want you to get sued for defamation. zanny the nanny defamation lawsuit. i think this is the real and serious legitimate one.

on august 11th, roy kronk's original statement was the area was underwater somewhat. certainly, two weeks after it was completely flooded. you never know. >> greta: casey anthony didn't testify. i guess it is not a huge surprise. were you ready for her testimony? did you expect she might? >> we did. after the opening statement, we expected her to, as the trial wore on we became more and more convinced she wouldn't. linda burdick was prepared to cross examiner her effectively. she never got the chance. >> greta: in terms of the opening statement of jose baez. he made the allegation george anthony, which he has denied, about abuse, sexual abuse as well as lee the brother. was there ever any evidence, not impeachment evidence, but substantive evidence which you may have disagreed with, to support that? >> the only evidence on that issue in any way was some statements that casey had made to boyfriends about lee perhaps touching her inappropriately. that was it. there was nothing to suggest george had done anything to her. >> greta: i don't know whether it happened or didn

ted rep -- represents roy kronk's son. the suicide note, what relevance?n the defense opened the door yesterday by pointing out -- questioning george that things he said and did were because he felt guilty about the way he treated his daughter and the cover-up of the accidental death of his granddaughter that opened the door to the prosecution leading him down the primrose path of the things i did were because i thought my granddaughter was missing. and then i was devastated she was dead. and devastated that i thought my daughter had something to do with it. >> greta: the most bizarre thing bernie, here the defense theory is that because of an accident that he is somehow guilty for covering up an accident. there's nothing wrong with an accident. an accident isn't a crime. >> accident you pick up the phone and say oh my god my granddaughter just slipped in the pool, she is not breathing. i feel bad about a lot, none of the things i've done to ted i feel bad about. you wouldn't go into a suicidal melancholy story if i was an accident. you just say it was an

roy kronk talking about putting his meter stick in her baby's skull, nothing except on cue with the bizarreony of her brother crying about not knowing she was pregnant. >> you don't know what to believe when watching her reactions. today in the courtroom, a courtroom observer stood up and flipped the bird at the judge and was arrested and then in jail for six days. >> you recognize the individual contained therein on that photograph, sir? >> yes. >> who is it? >> this is me. >> what is that symbol that you are projecting with your fingers? >> using my middle finger. and i'm sorry. >> what does that mean, sir? >> the f-word to someone. >> who were you extending the finger to sir? >> mr. ashton. >> did you realize that the taxpayers of the state of florida has expended a great deal of money in putting on this trial. and that your actions may have jeopardized or could have jeopardized all of the work that the attorneys have done in this particular case? >> yes, sir. >> i will sentence you to six days in orange county jail. impose a fine of $400. >> that's what you call a punishment and a deter

and that was when the guy who found the remains of caylee anthony roy kronk called the police back inthe police didn't respond. when finally an officer came out he walked down to the marshy area where kronk said the body was and looked across the body and refused to go in there and turned around and slipped in the mud and berated kronk for 30 minutes and left. never went in there. that officer was fired. rightfully so. the rest of the officers have done an admirable job. they worked around the clock, some of them, dozens of officers trying to piece the case together. had the initial officer gone in there and found the body it would have been five months earlier. who knows what dna and finger fingerprints would have been found. >> they fired the guy, booted the case and the rest of the officers in your estimation did their job professionally. what about geraldo made a big deal out of this as we were contemplating the case in its testimony phase there were no miranda warnings given to casey anthony and even if she got convicted this would be a big deal. >> completely disagree. i complet

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when the supervisor for meter reader roy kronk called 911. >> one of my meter readers found a skull thatletal remains was found with two plastic garbage bag and a laundry bag, plant roots and vines in her hair and duct tape still clinging to her skull. her clothes and blanket in tatters. testimony that casey says made sherr so sick she had to leave the courtroom. then the medical examiner who performed caylee's autopsy gave her findings. >> by my experience and by what is known about the way homicides occur, not reporting that child missing, the fact that it is tossed in a field to rot in bags, is a clear indication that the body was trying to be hidden. those are even being put in a bag is a very big rid flag for homicide. never seen in an accidental -- death of a child. the fact there's duct tape anywhere attached to that child's face, is to me, indication of a homicide. >> the prosecution tried for a big finish. calling the tattoo artist who had an appointment with casey on july 2nd. just two weeks after caylee died. >> when ms. anthony came to your shop how was she acting? >> normal.

other thing they did 180 on the roy kronk, meter reader that he redistributed the body.mitted that the body there. >> i think the biggest problem for the defense was i think jose baez was very kocondescending. that they shouldn't be fooled or duped. it was very condescending how they're going to get snookered by the prosecution. it didn't show any level of respect for the jury. >> he repeatedly said that the prosecution hasn't given any evidence of where caylee died or when caylee died. >> i think that in instead of focusing on as many answers they posed more questions. meaning that recognize now that the best argument they have reasonable doubt as to the cause of death. instead of saying, we know exactly how she died -- hang on one second, nancy. instead of focusing on this sort of -- you know, those long-shot-type arguments and definitive answers as to exactly how she died in the pool, they're sailing, we don't know how caylee died. >> nancy? >> bottom line, i think the state will argue you don't give a defendant a gold star because she managed to hide the body until d

shifted that burden on themselves, they put up all these wild accusations that george molested her and roy kronknkrupt and lee molested. all this craziness. they didn't prove it. she was the only one that could have done it. it fell flat. they ant argue it in closing. the jury is going to be angry because they're going to feel like not only is the defendant a proven liar but her attorney lied to them as well. >> does he really have to knock it out of the park, the defense attorney, in closing? can he even -- i mean in these type of cases how much of a difference does a closing argument make after a month of testimony? >> i tell you what, these are exactly the cases where it's crucial because the jury has had a month of testimony. it's been so long since they've heard the state's case. everything is scattered. it's drawn apart. these are crucial times. these attorneys state and defense, need to get up and stitch all of those pieces back into a cohesive picture for the jury. and you know, you nailed it, t.j., he just does not need a home run here, it's got to be a grand slam. it has got to be out

the deputy comes out to meet roy kronk to show him where the bag of bonesre. they didn't find it. all kronk could say, well, he wasn't very thorough. well, it is 19' away from the street. and, remember, there was about 6.5' of grass. it was this close. how can you not tell the officer it's there, right there. as the prosecution pointed out why not grab the bag and go down the block and say news media, here it is, i found her, give me the reward. i've got a story for you. why let the rude officer treat you that way? why not point it out? something is wrong here. something very shady. and $255,000 is the motivation for someone. he admitted it. i asked about the reward. i said i won the lottery. he said all of those things and he called his son in november. you heard his son say "my dad told me he found caylee." he had no reason to come here and lie to you. and testify against his father. he wanted to have a relationship with his father. they were estranged and they were just starting to build that. he completely impeached his father's testimony. and not only does he impeach it mr. k

under water, under debris, and the defense's theory was these remains were moved by the water meter, roy kronkre there for quite some time, at least six months. >> sunny hostin, hold on if you will. we're going to take a break and come back. see you on the other side. transitions adapt to changing light so you see your whole day comfortably and conveniently while protecting your eyes from the sun. ask your eyecare professional which transitions lenses are right for you. ask your eyecare professional for your transitions certificate of authenticity for your chance to win instant monthly prizes or our $20,000 grand prize! at liberty mutual, we know how much you count on your car and how much the people in your life count on you. that's why we offer accident forgiveness, man: good job. where your price won't increase due to your first accident. we also offer a hassle-free lifetime repair guarantee, where the repairs made on your car are guaranteed for life or they're on us. these are just two of the valuable features you can expect from liberty mutual. plus, when you insure both your home and car

the fact that you have duct tape near a body and the mandible still attached, martha, that's not roy kronk who didn't know anything about this other than he called the cops and then they gave him hell for calling and wasting their time. who puts a mandible or tapes and sticks a jaw to the skull? it doesn't happen until, how can i say this, that that child, the tape was put on before the child died. that is the one thing that they cannot take away from this case. duct tape was put on before she started decomposing. what i want to know from this jury is what they think happened to caylee. what they heard in the last eight weeks. and i want to know why casey anthony's own mother and father who thought she was guilty walked out of that courtroom. martha: yeah, me too. that was quite a stunning moment. and you think about the family dynamic that we've witnessed in the anthony family, just everyone at home, this is casey's reaction when she heard those verdicts. and you just imagine the sense of relief that went through her body. that is cindy and george. looked at each other, looked at their at

. >> either george anthony is the person that put the tape on, which we know is not true, or roy kronke are seeing now is that the prosecution will have the final word. they are going to counter a lot of the things we heard from the defense yesterday. this jury is going to have a lot to consider. remember, there were 33 days of testimony. we heard from scores of witnesses. and soon it will be in their hand hands to determine the fate of casey anthony. >> david, how is the jury reacting to these arguments? is there any way to tell? >> we have watched them. they have been paying very, very close attention. closing arguments have been heated at times. they haven't missed a single word. haven't missed a single beat. yesterday, they were starting to fidget a little bit in their seats toward the end of the day. that's when the judge said we need to stop now. i want you bright eyed and bushy tailed for tomorrow when we wrap this up so you can get this in your hands and really start to work tomorrow. >> david mattingly, thank you so much, david. you'll be following it all day in orlando. do yo

then they didn't bring roy kronk to the scene and turns out he moved the body.p the bag and things shifted around. the prosecution also introduced 84 chloroform searches which turned out not to be true. i think they lost their credibility. >> so is then jose baez, was he underestimated? because i know a lot of you talking about this being his first case, underestimated? >> as linda and i were talking about it, he kicked somebody's butt yesterday, didn't he? he ended up getting the needle out of the arm of every expert i've talked to who said the case was strong forensically. >> he did a competent job. the results speak for themselves. on the other hand, he was a beneficiary of these various gaps in evidence. >> 31-day. the prosecution is stuck with the evidence that happened after not being able to get to this baby for 31 days. that was on your client. period. >> but they still had to prove a case and they chose to go about it this way. death penalty murder case. she's not ted bundy. she's not osama bin laden. >> there's a big disconnect because what you're sayi