of them are really important and simultaneously working there. >> there was an exchange between roy wilkens and martin luther king in 1963 when wilkens said to have my would like to know martin. just what you have desegregated in your life. dr. king said i guess nothing more than the few human hearts. one of the human heart the act on materially was john f. kennedy's and that made all the difference. >> john kennedy taking the stance to define a in on national tv civil rights as a moral issue, we won't do it just because it is good strategy or because we are forced to do it but because it is right. that night they shot medgar evers in the back because they understood the climate, the whole issue had changed. when it became a moral issue for the president of the united states who was dragged kicking and screaming into civil rights it is like slavery becoming a moral issue. not just an issue of policy but they recognized this ultimately meant war. >> this reminded me that early on, thurgood marshall had no sense of who dr. king was. who is this preacher down south? as late as the 1960s the na