. >> and one of them here is called the royal society of biology, which you would imagine would be a t and serious and, and restrained. i mean, they're as bad as any of them or all of them. >> there's the royal statistical society. the royal society wants a more diverse and equitable model for mathematics education. what? it's all mental. >> and the thing i think, and this will come as we are of course, aware that we have somebody with education experience. my memory of learning maths, biology and the sciences generally was not a procession of dead white men. it was a succession of theories and more or less proven to be true. and this is what we currently know. occasionally a name like darwin might crop up, but it wasn't like and then we invented this and then we discovered this. aren't we great? it wasn't a flag waving exercise. >> i think this is i actually like this. i think this is a very interesting way of exploring it. i think it's a bit you're a bit hasty in condemning it because we don't actually know what they're doing or how they're introducing this. i mean, i think it's ver