ambassador royle as mentioned a couple, as has mr. stith. it will allow us to focus over an extended period of time so we can build those institutional capacities in a way that the afghans can then adapt, that are culturally and resource appropriate and will become enduring. i believe in the afghans. i would not have committed the amount of personal time and effort to it if i didn't. i am actually really impressed and amazed at the amount of progress that the afghans has made in the short period of time that they've had to do this. when you think about the task that not only the coalition took on, but the afghans have taken on, it is monumental change management. contrast this with their own effort and government to stand at the department of homeland security and the stars to put things back in days. i think you can appreciate what has gone on here. i believe that we can sustain this, but i believe that we have to do a strategically and carefully in a very focused way. thank you. >> thank you very much, michelle. we are now going to change

will turn the microphone over to ambassador kathryn royle. >> thank you very much, paul. a great pleasure to be here. although i'm still a serving member of the british diplomatic service, my last two jobs were and as the secretariat an advisor to the ministry of the interior, i have been sick on the dow did my ministry in the foreign office cannot take any of the blame for what i'm about to say. -- i have been seconded from my ministry. i think it did fail for quite a while. it was one of those cinderella subject. everyone would be very happy to having aabsolutely good and functioning police force is vital to any country and the name transition and that is one of those apple pie statements that you can make. it's not just about security. it's about legitimacy. it really does go to the heart of any state in you saw that again in ukraine. when did they lose legitimacy? when the police left the square. it faded away, the government felt. -- fell. we did not behave in afghanistan certainly in the beginning, and the minister set this out very well, as if the police really we

i wanted to tease out questionr royle's about who will be providing the capacity building. since nato's mandate is not include civilian policing and nato members are opposed to expanding the mandate in that direction. is it the eu mission? is it the un? is there the possibility to expand the secretary to include the civilian police oriented advisors as opposed to those who have a military background? >> thank you very much. talk radio news service. i just wanted to ask the panel 's comment on president obama recent decision to keep less than 10,000 troops in afghanistan and order to support infrastructure. i wanted to ask how you speculated that would affect. >> thank you so much. good question. how should we do this? should we start from the other end of the table and work our way up? i think we have all run out of time. jonathan, do you want to take a shot and any or all of those questions? michelle?start with but i thinkfer, that sean and catherine are the two best to answer that last group. we did address the 10,000 number and how it will impact. i personally believe th