. >> that would be scott, royte? >> yes. >> villamil the thing i would mention is everybody was looking for so-called green shoots and today they are questioning whether the green shoots are really there so we have got to have the chutes first before we talk at all about revenue. >> thank you. >> the next question is from chris buckley from enr. please go ahead. >> yeah, a quick question about the program cut. you talked about in a 09 we had the chart that showed that higher education and k-12 had the highest amount of cuts in terms of the most making cuts in those areas. do you have any numbers in terms of dollar figures tell what shall which areas by the dollar figures got the biggest cuts? >> we didn't specifically ask that in this report. we just asked if they did a particular cut to that syria, to that particular topic area. >> but do you know generally how, say the education sectors would compare to other areas? >> in terms of dollars generally? >> am i guess, and we've heard you primarily will see that in the