ruben carter exists, you know, that's the fire here. but the hurricane is always there. i'll always have to be careful. i have to stay awake or it will be me looking up from the cameras. >> host: nobody ever knocked you out, rubin carter. my dad used it train boxers and we used to follow your career as a young man and i was just a child but nobody ever knocked you out. >> guest: never. i was knocked down three times in my life. >> host: not knocked out. >> guest: never knocked out. never knocked out. how they knocked me down once i remember the great middle fighter and i was knocked down twice and those are the only times i've ever been done. >> host: but you never won the belt. >> guest: i never won the belt but i would have won the belt and that's the reason why the world boxing council and the world boxing association in the first time in history awarded me with the middle weight championship belt of the year. >> host: what year was that? >> guest: oh, that was 1991. >> host: so it was an honorary championship belt. >> guest: honorary championship belt. just as i had

ruben carter. >> host: because of honorary degrees? uest: i have two honorary doctorate degrees, one from brisbane, australia, griffey law school in 2003, and one from york university in 2005. so it's dr. ruben -- >> host: both in australia? >> guest: no, no -- >> host: oh, york is in canada. >> caller: that's correct. >> host: your book is called "eye of the hurricane: my path from darkness to freedom." with a forward by nelson mandela. >> guest: yes. >> host: and your co-author is ken klonsky. you want to share that you have discovered the truth. >> guest: to be the truth. >> host: well, it says -- yeah. [laughter] the love of truth is the spirit of man. given where i was and for how long i was there -- this is

he talks with veteran journalist juan williams. >> host: ruben carter, thank you for joining us this wonderful day. how old are you now? >> guest: i will be 74-years-old in may, and that's dr. rubin carter. i have to honor the doctorate degrees. one from australia, went to law school in 2003 and the western university in 2005. so it's dr.. spearman both in australia? in canada? but me read, in your book is called i of the hurricane, might have from darkness to freedom with a speed by nelson mandela and york cocoa authoress tamp class ki. you see my main purpose of writing the book is to share with you that i have discovered the truth but the love of truth is the spirit of man given where i was and how long i was there this is incredible. i have no business at all been here now. >> guest: that is absolutely correct. >> host: you say you were in jail 40 something years. what do you mean by that? >> guest: i was in jail -- the fact that we are born into a prison actually, when we are born we are complete with all of possibilities in tact but we are also born into a world of sleeping peop

ruben her can carter, foreword by nelson mandela. take care. it's a pleasure to be with you today. >> guest: it is my pleasure. >> host: ruben hurricane carter. ..

says, but if i had to choose an epitaph to be carved on my tombstone -- remember, this is ruben "hurricane" carterspeaking, it would simply read he was just enough. >> guest: just enough. >> host: now, this came because somebody in a high school audience, you were speaking to these students, asked you what you'd want for your epitaph. and now, you're a man -- bob dylan wrote a song about you. nelson mandela has written a forward to this book, and i know he loves boxing. i remember him talking to me how he loves boxing. >> guest: he was a boxer himself. >> host: and then he talks about someone like him who was in jail and has come out of it. so here's nelson mandela, bob dylan, even tony bennett, you say. >> guest: muhammad ali. >> host: these people have all known you, and now it comes time for you to speak about yourself, and you say for your epitaph, it should be he was just enough to have the courage to stand up for his convictions no matter what problems his actions may have caused him, he was just enough to perform a miracle to wake up to escape the universal prison of sleep to regain his hum