let's talk about ruben garland. what was the deal with him? what was his story? what did he claim? what did the commissioners think about him? >> is this the first guy? i think this is the one where he was aiding his uncle monetarily. he said he did not do much but he admitted to helping his uncle. as part of the confederate military. dr. lee: he was in the confederate military. >> he was honest. at the end, it was like, sorry it is not granted. dr. lee: he had assisted the confederate cause. the commissioner said, you were not loyal. why did he think he had a claim? why did he think he qualified as loyal? >> what he claimed was he did not do anything to directly support the confederacy. he claimed he had bonds he received in trade but did not receive directly himself. he had travel passes but did not swear an oath of allegiance. he claims not to have operated his company to benefit the confederacy. dr. lee: he did not see himself as a devoted confederate. why else? >> he voted against secession. dr. lee: he had initially been opposed to secession. yes he did later in some way offe