so i would just say, is robert rubin and rubin is an interesting figure. he's not a capitalist with a with a black top hat on. he's welfare state democrat. his mother voted for henry wallace. campaigned in south florida for civil. he voted for and raised for george mcgovern. he was a racial liberal. he opposed actually oppose the clinton welfare plan, which was very controversial. so he said, look, capitalism produces, winners and losers and some people are losers and we have to take care of them. and he you know, he was hated and he didn't buy into that. oh, you let's incentivize work and that'll that'll be solution to everything. he said no. so he was so he was very charming and that was and he was very popular. but what believed in was absolute mobility and liquidity of capital. he'd spent 25 years at goldman sachs, the arbitrage desk. and what that meant was, you know, you you went to companies are going to merge. you know, you figured out, you know, where the imperfections he knew there were imperfections in the market and you you know place your bet

so i would just say, is robert rubin and rubin is an interesting figure. he's not a capitalist with a with a black top hat on. he's welfare state democrat. his mother voted for henry wallace. campaigned in south florida for civil. he voted for and raised for george mcgovern. he was a racial liberal. he opposed actually oppose the clinton welfare plan, which was very controversial. so he said, look, capitalism produces, winners and losers and some people are losers and we have to take care of them. and he you know, he was hated and he didn't buy into that. oh, you let's incentivize work and that'll that'll be solution to everything. he said no. so he was so he was very charming and that was and he was very popular. but what believed in was absolute mobility and liquidity of capital. he'd spent 25 years at goldman sachs, the arbitrage desk. and what that meant was, you know, you you went to companies are going to merge. you know, you figured out, you know, where the imperfections he knew there were imperfections in the market and you you know place your bet

in it, rubin writes this. i worry that faced with such unsettling uncertainty, too many people and too many of our institutions have responded by rushing toward absolutes and simplistic answers. robert rubin joins me now. okay, mr. secretary. one day you're at the white house and a letter arrives, old school, wanting to know, are you the same robbie rubin from the fourth grade at the north beach elementary. what am i talking about? >> well, we moved to miami beach, michael when i was entering fourth grade and i was a rather poor student when i went to the school in new york and i went to this elementary school and wonderful teacher mrs. collins and under her in fourth and fifth grade i blossomed and i became a rather good student. and she was asking in that letter was i the same robbie rubin that she remembered and i think the answer is two-fold. one, i am the same robbie rubin, somewhat older, at that time, i was in fourth grade, and much older when i was in the treasury department, and the other meaning of t

the tour closed in petrovsky park with dynamo and rubin.he table. rashid rakhimov, who coaches the kazan team, did not lose with it from the end september. moreover, in six matches , five victories were won, 16 points out of eighteen possible were scored and not a single goal was conceded, but dynamo’s mood after the success in the matches with zenit and cska is no worse, and rubin and dynamo are on a long unbeaten streak offered theirs. firstly, it was initially even longer by one game, and secondly, striker konstantin tyukavin, who had scored four games in a row before this match, did it again. in the middle of the first half , he chested the ball in after dmitry's pass skopintseva. the fifth match, tyukavin does not leave the field without scoring a goal, but in this match he ended up being the only one. 1:00 dynamo defeated rubin in moscow and rose to third place, only four points behind krasnodar and two behind zenit. kazan remained in eighth place. but last season, rubin, speaking in football language, was purified by the first league

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roman, rubin, rubin, absolutely right, a club of kazami.e slogan of the second games of the cis countries. not so long ago this multi-sports forum took place, 10 cities of belarus hosted it, strong character, vibrant game, my friends, this is exactly what the slogan of the second games of the cis countries sounds like, let’s continue, what is the name of sportswear, in which athletes train and perform in karate, judo and some other martial arts, and fedor, kimano, kimano, this is the correct answer, but let’s say this is a general name for each type of martial arts, it has its own, for example, kimno for karate is called karategi and etc. let's continue, who won the conference league of the 22-23 season? roman, seville, conference leagues. nikita, westham, westham, absolutely right, fiorentina were defeated in the final with a score of 2:1. this is the correct answer. let's continue, which out of four tournaments? close, close, uh, correct yourself, bow, bow , of course, and archerythlon is a biathlon in which archery is shot, the first wor

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our panel tonight, tom peck and joe rubin. we taught underscoring the chaos that now surrounds the 2024 election. ukraine will head into the new year with a dwindling stockpile of weapons and no guarantee of when us and european will arrive. of when us and european aid will arrive. the senate gave up on negotiations last night, still at an impasse over more than $60 billion in military aid, with republicans refusing to budge until they have secure concessions on border reform. on the front lines, the ukrainians are currently outgunned 7—1. the priority for the next few weeks said military sources is to preserve equipment and personnel and in some places withdraw short distances, leaving minefields in place. but there is of course the risk the russians could break through. and one of the major concerns for ukraine right now is troop levels. kyiv needs to mobilize an additional 100,000 menjust to maintain current force strength, mobilisation rates we're told are below 50% of their target and may be as low as 15% in some regions.

and current host of the white flag with joe walsh, -- monahan public scholars fellow and jennifer rubin, msnbc political analyst and opinion writer at the washington post. jennifer, i want to start with. you take a step back again net worth had a long time to reflect on this year and everything and everything we have heard. what do you make of biden's current campaign strategy? >> i think the campaign for biden has barely begun. one of the reasons we have ridiculous poles a year out that don't really mean anything is because the entire attention of the country has been following the one active primary. the republican side. and actually if you look at polling over the last several years, more polling shows him tied or ahead then shows him behind. but putting that aside for a

with that we bring in dave rubin, host of the rubin report. dave, good to have you with us today. out there that is sort of encapsulates the anger going on. i want to show everybody at home this exchange that happened with this man. he's the son of eli visol, the author of "night." he was in auschwitz. this is his son confronting a protester. then you'll see alec baldwin. so watch these real quick. we'll get your reaction. >> we're coming to palestinian protests -- >> why are you -- >> why don't you -- >> we're coming here -- we're coming to protest. >> you already have your mind made up. you ask stupid questions. >> martha: a lot of tempers flying out there. he said you're coming to a palestinian protest. dave, what do you think? >> well, look, first off regarding the masks, their entire face beyond their eyes. at some point, with ebb have to have serious discussions about outlawing these masks, which sounds strange and there's civil rights issues for sure. should these people be allowed to walk in and board a train looking like that, allowed to walk into a hospital, store or sch

goal, but dynamo’s mood after the success in the matches with zenit and cska was no worse, and for rubin’sunbeaten streak, dynamo offered theirs. firstly, it was initially even longer by one game, and secondly, striker konstantin tyukavin, who had scored four games in a row before this match, did it again. in the middle of the first half, he chested the ball in after a pass. skopintseva, the fifth match in a row, tyukavin does not leave the field without scoring a goal, but in this match he ended up being the only one, 1:0 dynamo defeated rubin in moscow and moved up to third place, just four points behind krasnodar and two behind zenit. kazan remained in eighth place. but last season, rubin, speaking in football language, was purified by the first league, which in the end , not without difficulty, won, returning to the elite of russian football. now the leader in the first division standings is makhachkala dynamo, which is coached by a well-known specialist, kurban berdyev. about what is happening within this league and its leader, nail izmailov, told how it is developing in an interview

. >> joining us now, ryan rye -- reilly, and lisa rubin. he was admonished for things that could get him in defamation trouble again. and goes out the second night, last night, and basically does the same thing. what's going on here. >> and it wasn't very well planned out. he was searching for words, rambling during his podcast that he does, i guess, every night. this is not someone who you would think should be in front of the camera making bogus claims because he has so much exposure already, and you can't trust he's going to stick with the script because he appears to believe these conspiracy theories. he has not accepted reality despite signing a motion months ago saying that these statements that he made about these two individuals were, indeed, false. >> he's likely to take the stand as early as today. could be today, could be tomorrow. do we have an idea of how he's going to defend himself, and is it going to be effective if it sound like that? >> there are rules in court, the nice thing i enjoy cover about court, you can't have peop

appreciate it, lieu is a rubin, you'll be back with us shortly.illy, thanks for your reporting. >>> let's turn to capitol hill where the house has officially authorized an impeachment inquiry into president biden. that vote falling strictly along party lines with democrats blasting the move as a political stunt. it came hours after hunter biden spoke on capitol hill accusing republicans of distorting the facts, and he refused to sit for a closed-door deposition. the question now, will house republicans move forward with their threats to hold him in contempt of congress? nbc's ali vitali is on the hill for us. walk us through how this vote went down and what's next. >> reporter: welcome to day one of the official impeachment inquiry, it both changes everything and nothing really, ana, in large part because these investigations have been going on for the entirety of congress. the focus has always been attempting to tie president joe biden to the business dealings of members of his family including his son hunter. excuse me. that is still the case th

rubin beat baltika away and rose to seventh line of the table.enburg there was no winner. the tour opened with the coldest match of the season. lokomotiv beat the urals at a temperature of -13 in moscow. spartak house turned out to be stronger than the kings of the soviets. rostov tied with akhmat on the road. zenit defeated parien at home. three matches were held in the vtb league. parma won their fourth victory in a row, beating away in nizhny novgorod, avtodor lost at home to lurmash. in the central meeting of the day, cska on its home floor was stronger than zenit (104:89) in overtime. main time the match was an even fight, the guests lagged behind during the match, but did not let the hosts go far. zinits managed to equalize the score 7 seconds before the final siren , trend fraser scored with a precise three-point shot. but in overtime, javier puscal's team fell apart. projects strike over and over again. cska pulled ahead by 10 points and only further developed their success; the army team scored 22 points in viertam, repeating the best re

dynamo played against kazan rubin. the outcome of the match was decided by one goal, scored by konstantin tyukavin in the middle of the first half. the striker finished off a cross from the left flank by dmitry skopentsev. konstantin tyukavin, in excellent form, scores for the fifth game in a row. dynamo extended its unbeaten streak in the championship. that the last time dynamo lost back in september. in the standings, the blue and white returned to third place: they are two points behind zenit, and only four behind the leader krasnodar. in the eighteenth round, the last one before the winter break, dynamo will play on sunday in voronezh against the torch. there is one round left in the rpl before the winter break. it will go on as scheduled. decisions on individual matches, for example, on two matches in moscow , will be made privately. in the first league, the teams have already gone on break. the championship will resume in early march. and already today in the evening, watch the release of the next russian footbal

rubin beat baltika away and moved up to seventh place in the table.tsiders sochi-orenburg there was no winner. the tour opened with the coldest match of the season. lokomotiv beat the urals at a temperature of -13 in moscow. spartak house turned out to be stronger than the wings of the soviets. rostov played against akhmat on the road. zenit defeated parien at home. three matches were held in the vtb united league. parma won its fourth victory in a row, beating nizhny novgorod away. avtodor lost to ural masha at home. in the central in the same meeting of the day, cska on its home floor turned out to be stronger than zenit 104 8. in overtime. the main time of the match passed in an equal fight, the guests lagged behind during the match, but did not let the hosts go far. sinets managed to equalize the score 7 seconds before the final siren. tren fraser scored an accurate three-pointer. but in overtime, javier puscal's team fell apart. zenit lost the battle over and over again, and the team was let down by an abundance of fouls. from the start of overti

let's bring in joel rubin, the former deputy assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs for the obama administration. he's also running for congress in maryland. good to see you. before i get your reaction to the munitions sale issue, what is your reaction to the u.s. using its veto power at the u.n. over the u.n. resolution? you saw criticism saying this is a vote against humanity, the position that the u.s. has taken. >> it's great to be with you. as alex laid out, it's a tough vote, very tough vote. i think what this shows to israel in particular is that there's limited time available, that the united states is willing to protect against a biased resolution, as this one was, where it did not call out hamas. a week or so ago, hamas broke the truce that allowed kidnapped israelis to be exchanged for palestinians who were in the prison. hamas broke that. so this whole process that the u.n. put forward clearly is designed to put pressure on. i think without a mechanism there's no that such a resolution could end up creating a lasting, durable ceasefire. all that said, there's

dynamo played against kazan rubin. goal, scored by konstantin in the middle of the first half. the striker completed a cross from the left flank by dmitry skopentsev. konstantin tyukavin, in excellent form, scores for the fifth game in a row. dynamo extended its unbeaten streak in the championship. let me remind you that the last time dynamo lost was back in september. the blue and white returned to third in the standings place. dynamo is two points behind zenit and four points behind leader krasnodar. in the eighteenth round, the last before the winter break, dynamo will play on sunday in voronezh against. the torch, in the rpl there is just one round left before the winter break, it will take place as scheduled, decisions on individual matches, for example, on two matches in moscow, will be made privately. the teams in the first leagues have already gone on a winter break; the championship will resume in early march. just the president of the national football league nail izmailov became a guest another issue about t

. >> i know we're joined right now by msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin.welcome you to the conversation, lisa. what's your interpretation of this? its effect potentially on the election? >> well, certainly this makes it more likely, alex, that the trial of president trump and the federal election interference case will happen much closer to november or not at all because unless the d.c. circuit rules expeditiously and this supreme court agrees to hear it on yet another expedited time frame, the amount of time judge cut chan would have to try to case on a calendar that allows the former president to campaign, for example, by september, which is the window by which the department of justice typically believes that it's not appropriate for them to take any investigative or prosecutorial steps before an election would happen. so first, it makes it less likely that that trial is going to happen. one of the things i'm struck by in seeing this is what we can't make out of it. usually where you've got a situation like this, a very high stakes petition for certify,

former fbi general counsel and msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissmann, and msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubint's talk about donald trump last night. what is the reaction to what he said to sean hannity in the context of everything that he has been saying on the campaign trail and all of the actions he did while he was president, especially in the last few months of his presidency. >> yeah, i mean, his answer last night sort of put this in the idea that it was all just a joke. something that he could laugh off. donald trump has said for months now on the campaign trail specifically, things like he would go after the biden family with the special counsel. he ran in 2016 on locking up hillary clinton. he has often expressed expanded ideas of what the power of the presidency should be and could be under him in a second term. so in that context, the reaction was fairly swift on both sides of the aisle, but especially from democtsnd the biden campaign, really pounced on the comments with a version othe idea when someone shows you who they are, believe them. they put out a statement that donald trum

want to bring in ali arouzi, joel rubin, former deputy assistant secretary of state and president ofstrategy group and nbc's ryan nobles as well at the white house for us. ali, let me start with you, if we can, and walk through the latest strikes for us. >> that's right. so the u.s. military says they have attacked iranian-backed militias in iraq, hours after u.s. personnel were injured in a drone strike on a u.s. air base in iraq. now, defense secretary lloyd austin said that three sites used by kataib hezbollah were hit in iraq and syria. as you know, this is nothing new. the u.s. repeatedly targeted sites linked to militant groups in iraq and syria that answer to in recent years. depending on the political situation on the ground, these can ebb and flow considerably. given what is going on in the region and the heightened tensions, the attacks hav dramatically increased. as you mentioned, since october 17th alone, there have been over 100 types of these attacks by iranian militias. lloyd austin said the attack, which was called necessary, and proportionate, was authorized by presi

garrett haake in washington, and here with me, nbc's vaughn hillyard and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubinrrett, the court has stayed its own decision until january 4th. walk us through this ruling and what it means. >> that's right, and colorado closes that ballot out on january 5th. what this means is that donald trump will stay on this ballot basically unless and until the supreme court acts. and there's every indication including the fact that there are more states with challenges like this working their way through their court system, that the supreme court is going to have to take this up in some capacity, at least that's what colorado's secretary of state said on msnbc last night. let's listen. >> so whether or not the united states supreme court decides to review the case, whether or not they issue a decision by january 5th, if they do review the case, i believe that they will issue some type of order or be cognizant of the fact that we have an election that is quickly approaching. we're a super tuesday state with a january 5th deadline for ballot certification. >> so legally this

officials believe their focus on preventing traffic fatalities is starting to pay off as ktvu is an rubin explains. this improved event comes right afte they've had a record number of deaths in 2022. >> this year, when it came to traffic safety, san jose vowed to do better. 2022 had been awful, setting a record for the most traffic fatalities the city had seen. there were 65 then. this year there have been just 48. >> that's nothing to celebrate. but the difference, the reduction in fatalities compared to last year is pretty astonishing. >> city officials believe their hard work is paying off. they've been changing infrastructure, launching $1 million public education campaign and doing more enforcement.e've doubled the rate at which we're hiring police officers. >> we've deployed automated license plate readers soon we will be adding speed, safety cameras. so we're doing more around holding people accountable for following our traffic safety laws. >> the next step, they say more permanent fixes a $13 million federal grant announced last week will allow san jose to target for problem inte

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lisa rubin and jen taub, thank you so much.s more ahead on the show, including a voting contra congress that sent representative george santos packing. what does this mean for the gop's already razor-thin majority in the house? and later, the war between israel and hamas rages again after the collapse of weeklong cease-fire. what that means for hostages and civilians in the region. stay with us. >> bipartisanship is in short supply on capitol hill. but representative george santos managed to do the impossible. he united lawmakers behind a common goal, expelling him from the house of representatives. >> george santos is a liar. >> he fabricated his qualifications, his background. >> he has manufactured his entire life. >> he blatantly stole from his campaign. >> he is a perpetrator of a massive fraud on his constituents and the american people. >> he can defend himself in a court of law, but for the purposes of this body, he's got to go. >> george santos reported lies unlocked wrongdoing brought together members on both sides of

rubin's argument. >> i do not.all, i think had the president, the administration done many of those things, we probably wouldn't be here in the first place. but secondly, i do believe america has those levers, and we're going to eventually have to see america leaning in and using some of those levers if we're not going to add to the horrendous death toll, destruction that we're seeing in gaza. but i would also say the following. even if that is not the case, israel should not be pursuing this mission with additional american weapons, additional american assistance, additional american diplomatic and political cover, at least throw that into the mix and see how it plays out in israel, and at least then not be culpable yourself. you won't be bleeding your international credibility, bleeding domestic support, and i imagine there would be less bleeding full stop if america changed that position. i think she's got it fundamentally wrong. >> shadi, i'll go to you on the same question. israel's sense of siege, the world i

msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin is with me. i know you've had time now to start going through the filing in more detail. what have you found? >> there's a concession in this filing from the special counsel's office that trump's appeal of judge tanya chutkan's decision last week on whether he can end the case on grounds of presidential immunity, that appeal effectively stays the trial, and the special counsel's office is now conceding that. that is why they are asking the supreme court to let the leapfrog the initial level of appeals courts in the federal system, the courts of peals. here it would be the d.c. circuit, and immediately take the case through a maneuver before judgment. in the petition, they effectively say, this is a novel question of federal law that this petition presents to you. you have no precedent on whether a former president or current president for that matter can be immune criminally, and therefore, this is not only urgent, but it is novel, and if you're looking for historical precedent as to why you shou

thank you both, pete hegseth that didn't go to harvard and dave rubin.d to have both of you. >> who really didn't go to harvard. >> martha: thanks very much. good to see you guys. so breaking today, a shocker from jack smith in this january 6th case against former president trump. he just asked the supreme court to take up a central decision in his case and do it quickly as the former president and candidate holds a growing league o o over presidential rivals in iowa. bret baier has more on the breaking news next. a big advan. the va home loan benefit. with the lower rate newday 100 va cash out loan, you can pay off high rate credit cards and car loans. and can save $6,000 a year. that's real money you can use to take care of your family and home. honey, i think i heard something. ok. ♪ from christmas tree mats... to floorliners... cargo liners.... no drill mud flaps... seat protectors... and more... weathertech has the perfect holiday gift. honey, is everything ok? oh yeah. order at weathertech.com and don't forget weathertech gift cards. the first time

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and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin joins me here in new york. it is good to have all of you. monica, she was truly a unique figure in history and the ceremony seemed to reflect that. tell us more about it. >> reporter: absolutely. i think you got there from president biden's comments that there was also this levity, there was, of course, in remembering her remarkable life, looking back at some of these lighter moments perhaps and we got a sense of that as well from chief justice john roberts, who really talked about his long relationship knowing sandra day o'connor, he was somebody who in the department of justice in 1981 helped to prepare sandra day o'connor for her confirmation hearing in the reagan administration and he told a story about what then happened when sandra day o'connor was going through the process of learning that john roberts himself was going to be appointed to the bench. listen to how he told that story. >> reporters asked her what she thought of the nomination. she had nice things to say. but ended by noting that the only problem was i didn't wear a skirt

lisa rubin, thank you for staying late tonight.e you. >>> when we come pack, we finally know, finally at long last we finally know who all those election fraud task forces have been focused on. the answer is next. been focusen the answer is next i got this $1,000 camera for only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions since 2009. this playstation 5 sold for only 50 cents. this ipad pro sold for less than $34. and this nintendo switch, sold for less than $20. i got this kitchenaid stand mixer for only $56. i got this bbq smoker for 26 bucks. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. >>> today i will detail some of the shocking irregularities, abuses, and fraud that have been revealed in recent weeks. and we have so much evidence. >> after the 2020 election, after donald trump's claims of so-called rampant election fraud, after those claims took hold in the republican party, republicans in six states decided to create or amp up existing efforts to prosecute voter fraud. the attorn

jill wine banks, a former assistant what a great special prosecutor and msnbc analyst, and jennifer rubin, who's an opinion writer for the washington post and also an msnbc political analyst. jen, i want to start with you. the case to remove donald trump from the ballot, it centers on the 14th amendment. and that argument is basically that this is one of the most important amendments in the constitution. do you think that failing to remove donald trump from the ballot a devalues the 14th amendment? >> it does, and it devalues the entire constitution. if you read the constitution, and take it literally and historically, and text really, you cannot escape the conclusion that he should be removed. the president is an officer of the united states, or alternatively, he holds an office. he did provide aid and comfort to those who were seeking to do violence to the constitution, and he therefore gets removed. there is no requirement in the 14th amendment that he must be convicted before that, nor is there any requirement that congress pass some kind of action. people suh under the equal protecti

joining us now former litigator and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. lisa, thank you so much for joining us. i think you're here with us. >> i am ali. and i apologize i'm having some technical difficulties. >> this makes complete and total sense to me. i think the first thing i want to ask you about is just your initial thoughts on this decision and i'd like to know where things are going next. the idea trump is going to appeal, what is that argument going to look like, and where its flaw? >> i think there are a number of arguments trump is going to use. chiefly let's about where he's going and choose next. he's not an officer of the united states in the meaning of the section 3 of the 14th amendment, that's the argument principally he relied on below. it was an argument that the lower court found sursuasive even as they judged him to have been guilty of an insurrection. what was shocking to me about this is that the colorado supreme court by a 4-3 majority decided that donald trump should be disqualified in a very detailed 133-page decision. where we

this is prosecutor, lisa rubin and msnbc legal analyst, in court today attempting one of trump's othera, let me start with you, this was wholly expected, we watch this from the beginning. he filed a motion saying you can't try me at all, i have immunity, judge chutkan wrote, i thought a very persuasive opinion saying that is nonsense, we can. now they want to, what? what are they asking be done? >> they're asking for a state of all proceedings before judge chutkan. it's not just a pause in the trial, it's a pause of everything. pretrial motions, discovery, et cetera, until his appeal can be fully resolved. that means not just an appeal to the d.c. circuit, but potentially an appeal to the supreme court. so when you talk about running out the clock, it's certainly possible that we could get through this appellate process and give judge chutkan time before the 2024 election to try this case. but donald trump is going to try every play in the book, both to stay the case pending appeal, and then to delegate that appeal and not expedite it so that he doesn't have to be tried before november

. >> msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin is joining us as well right now. lisa, again, your reaction to this. you heard catherine saying she was shocked and not shocked. how about you. >> there were two arguments that team trump made in their view, that were probably persuasive to the court. other than judge chutkan, no federal court or other court has ever ruled on the issue of whether a former or sitting president is immune from criminal prosecution, and therefore team trump argued in its brief, the supreme court would benefit from having at least one more opinion, three more judges to carefully consider the issues and add to the body of law that would be available for them to call upon, even in united states v. nixon in 1974, which led to the turning over of the watergate tapes, there was some history there, the case of aaron burr in the 1800s and a decision involving president nixon, prior to the watergate tapes itself that dealt with the issue that was squarely before the court in that case. that was probably persuasive, and the second reaction is very

lisa rubin and jen taub, thank you so much. lots more ahead on the show, including a voting contra congress that sent representative george santos packing. what does this mean for the gop's already razor-thin majority in the house? and later, the war between israel and hamas rages again after the collapse of weeklong cease-fi. what that means for hostages and civilians in the region. stay with us. >>>s in the region. stay with us stay with us >> tide is busting laundry's biggest myth... that cold water can't clean. - food fight!! - food fight!! ♪♪ cold water, on those stains? welp, only one way to find out... tide cleans better in cold than the leading bargain detergent in warm. ♪♪ cold water can't clean tough stains? i'd say that myth is- busted! i always wanted to say that! (car engine revs) turn to cold, with tide. (engine accelerating) (texting clicks) (tires squeal) (glass shattering) (loose gravel clanking) >> bipartisanship is in short supply on capitol hill. but representative george santos managed to do the impossible.

i want to bring in lisa rubin and nbc's vaughn hillyard, both with me here in new york. also with us, former federal prosecutor, renato mariotti. let's start with this breaking news. big move by jack smith. what do you make of it? >> i think it's a brilliant move. essentially what they're saying, we're going to do whatever we can to get a ruling on presidential immunity as we can. first we'll ask the court of appeals to expedite its briefing schedule, but not going to wait for them. in the meantime we're going to ask the supreme court for what's called certiorari where you leapfrog the court of appeals. my friend who is a law professor at the university of texas has written extensively about this. i asked him, how many times has this been used in recent years? it was granted zero times between august 2004 and february of '19. but 19 times since february of 2019. it became a popular procedural maneuver during the trump years. you see the special counsel using it against the same allies that were the big benefactors of this mechanism during the trump years. >> renato, why

, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard on the politics of all of this, msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin, and former acting assistant attorney general for national security and nbc news legal analyst, mary mccord. i will start with you. does the supreme court say, yes, we will weigh in, and we will weigh in quickly? >> i think they will say that they will weigh in. that is fairly unusual procedure to seek what's called certify j they found other cases important enough take directly from a district court ruling without a stop at the circuit court of appeals on the way. what could be more important. the court did this also back in the nixon case, back when a watergate case was going to trial, against someone else involved in watergate, and the special counsel sought documents to subpoena them from president nixon who had refused and sought to quash that subpoena, and because those materials were needed, it was the tapes were needed for that prosecution, this is another case where the special counsel went straight from the district court up to the supreme court. the supreme court took that

after suffering damage from the waves and the weather in recent days, ktvu is anne rubin spoke to people from the santa cruz coast and up into the mountains. she joins us live from santa clara county. anne how are you seeing it out there? well i mean, the rain is really coming down, you know, picked up over the last couple of hours, although i would say the wind seemed worse about 4:00. >> so it's a little calmer out here now. still the roadways are slick and it's been causing problems out there. it's also potentially problematic for people down on the coast who are still dealing with trouble. from yesterday. in the hours after one storm ended and before the next began, crews assessed the damage to the santa cruz wharf. there's some structural damage to the underneath of the dolphin restaurant, some pilings got knocked out and it's sagging a little bit. >> as you can tell, the dolphin is now closed. >> but when the waves struck in, the pilings cracked, there were people inside. when you heard the crack of that piling, you know, it's really loud. >> it's like thunder a little bit. and the

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joining us now, msnbc league analyst, lisa rubin who was in court for donald trump's fraud trial.about this gag order. remind us what it's about and how these judges ruled? >> this is in the federal election interference case, not in the civil fraud trial that i have been watching. judge tanya chutkan had entered a gag order that prevented the parties and their lawyers from talking about or targeting witnesses, reasonably foreseeable witnesses in the case, in so far as it related to their testimony. she had an order that the lawyers could not talk about one another, for example, or courtroom personnel. this is a narrowed order. it essentially says that they can't make public statements. that same group of people can't make public statements or direct others to make public statements about foreseeable witnesses as it relates to the witnesses in the trial. same thing applies to lawyers and staff and court staff and the family members of all of those people. guess who's exempted from that, jack smith himself, they can talk about him. and they can't talk about those people only where