rubio, i'm going to have you have a seat in this chair here. >> -- rubio must face the disciplinary boarde whether or not to give him further sanctions for the assault. >> mr. rubio, how do you plead? >> no contest. >> you do not wish to plead your case whatsoever? >> i didn't do it. that's it. can you tell me who wrote that report, what officers were in there? >> officer martinez wrote the report. captain barabas also followed up on it. >> so he went and saw this? >> are you going to let me finish what i said? >> go ahead. >> as the hearing continues, rubio asks several technical questions about the report and questions the credibility of the disciplinary board itself. >> okay. what other -- >> i'm going to conclude what you're saying because you're just running around in circles right now. >> [ bleep ]. >> do you have any questions or concerns -- >> [ bleep ] your hearing. that's what i feel like. go ahead and give me the 30 days lockdown. >> go ahead. we're done. well, you know what? we're done. so go ahead and stand up. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. you know you all are [ bleep ] anyway. >

as i mentioned, marco rubio was on with rush limbaugh and rush posed this question to senator rubio that there are people who are now coming to this country basically because they want to live off the government. he compared them to people of emigrated to this country in the past, hard workers and now you have a group of people who essentially want to be on welfare. when you hear that notion, or that idea coming from the leading voice in the conservative party, your party, the republicans, what do you say that to? >> well, remember, an i respect anybody's point of view but he's not a member of our leadership. he's not a member of the house or the senate. he has the right, obviously, under the first amendment and we all appreciate that to say whatever he wants but we can deal with issues of making sure people who are here are not a charge on the public system. we can deal with those issues through legislative language. the question is this. do we want to solve what the american people know is absolutely broken or talk about it and do nothing about it? if we want to solve it, what i'm sayi

because what marco rubio can't do every day is say i agree with president obama. i agree with president obama. he has got to find the spots where he can claim he is to the right of president obama like on this -- what i don't think is a very big distinction on the whole enforcement side. >> it is not, unless you're prepared to militarize and fence the entire southern border of the united states, no, we're not talking about a big difference, but yes, he has to use the president as a foil and criticize him. actually, the real issue is the employment verification. and there is agreement on that, too, if they want to have a fight it is like a wrestling match, go ahead and pretend you're hitting each other on the head. but in the end we know who the winner is going to be and where it is declared. >> celso, what is your hope on where this ends up? >> i want to put it in perspective, based on obama's speech. based on the deportation numbers, 400,000 families get separated. 19 families were separated while he spoke. this needs to add real urgency to the fact that families

karen, i want to talk about rubio. i have been skeptical that rubio would run. i have always thought if jeb bush ran, he wouldn't run. then we see things like this. there was this sort of deep profive file in the "new york times" on december 21st, and the title is football, and it's not political. marco rubio burnishing his credentials. this makes me think that maybe he is thinking about it. >> sure. to the point about these votes, if we learned nothing from this last election, we should have learned that it is about what is your narrative, right? these votes, they matter and they don't. they will matter to these guys as candidates if they are part of the narrative whether you are going to call yourself, you know, a budget hawk or you're going to say, i'm compassionate and care about people. whatever it is. they've got to be able to explain it in that context. with rubio, i think what we've seen it wasn't just that piece that you mentioned, but we've seen a couple other little seedlings out there that are testing the waters to kind of see what kind of reaction h

president obama's plan is not senator's rubio's plan. >> sean: senator rubio, he has been clear about we don't control the border. we're going back here five or ten years. he says that is deal breaker for him. right now president obama doesn't enforce the laws now. to force arizona to come up with their own law that mirrored the federal law. are you with senator rubio -- if they don't control the border first and we don't solve the problem completely is that correct a deal killer for you? >> for me? >> sean: yes. >> yes, whether its deal killer or not. it doesn't matter or not. we have to talk about the 11 million people that are here. you had me on your show about six and a half years ago. we seemed to be polar opposites. now, we realize we have plenty of common ground. we have been trying to enforce the border laws and --. >> sean: i asked you a specific question. wait a minute. if we don't secure the border, by the way, i have been consistent on this all the years i boechb television and radio -- if we don't secure the borders we'll be back here debating the same issues do you stan

rubio said i don't pretend this is a perfect solution. i know the idea of accommodating people that violated the law makes people uncomfortable but better off solving this once and far all. that's pretty much what he said to rush limbaugh. if you had score and early in the game, appears tock picking up teammates from his own party or are people standing in the lines they were in if you will before this all was proposed? >> well, there could be two goals. one, marco rubio and the charm offensive with conservatives is trying to get them to support immigration reform but he could be trying to do that and also try to soften any opposition folks might have. if rush limbaugh remains opposed to comprehensive immigration reform but doesn't make it a crusade in the radio broadcast he did in 2006 and 2007, that might be a win for marco rubio. that's one of the more interesting developments and media personalities on fox, for example, much more receptive than previously. >> yeah. when you have a fellow senator calling you naive coming to this topic,

but that was just a warm up for senator rubio.er that fox interview he really went into the conservative lion's den. he paid a visit to rush limbaugh to pitch to the truly right wing that he hopes to lead, and actually it seemed to work. >> i've seen the good that legal immigration has done for our country and i've seen the train that illegal immigration has done for our country. >> what you're doing is admirable and noteworthy. you're recognizing reality. you're trumpeting, shouting it. my concern is that the president wants to change reality. >> jennifer: interesting, rush's reality is never going to line up with the president's thank goodness for that. but in the end senator rubio got when what he came for which was the coveted limbaugh blessing. actually the president got what he wanted, which is a popular republican senator selling immigration to the right. it's a win-win. later in the day when the president finally did give his remarks, he was careful to say that he backed the bipartisan solution, and he wouldn't be trying t

that's really still in question. >> senator marco rubio is carrying a lot of water on this.went to the lion's den to mix metaphors with rush let me bah today to try to sell it. >> the president will be in las vegas today. i know for you boarder security is the first and last. if that doesn't happen, none of the rest does, right? >> well, not just that. that alone is not enough. it has to be a combin's. we have border security. we need workplace enforcement. we need a visa tracking system. 40% of our illegal immigrants of our undocumented people in this country, they didn't cross the border. they came legally. their visa expired, and they stayed. we don't track people when they leave. we only track them when they come in. all three of those things have to happen. the language of the bill has not even been drafted yet. these are just principles. this is going to be a challenge if, in fact, this bill does not have real triggers in there, and in essence, there is not language in this bill that guarantees that nothing else will happen unless these enforcement mechanisms are in pl

marco rubio. >> so did rubio, is that mission accomplished to get conservatives on board when rush limbaugh says are you recognizing reality, which is the argument rubio's making on why he's doing reform. anyway, using the bully pulpit in las vegas, the president used his own form of a veiled threat on immigration. he praised the senate bill but warned congress if they don't act, he will. >> if congress is unable to move forward in a timely fashion, i will send up a bill based on my proposal and insist that they vote on it right away. >> while senator john mccain said he appreciated the president's speech, meaning he didn't criticize it, rubio released a statement that was more critical saying "the president's speech left the impression that he believes reforming immigration quickly is more important than reforming immigration right." but don't be misled here. here's something this debate is not about, wls obama wants to use immigration as a way 0 club republicans or get a bill. it's not a question. the idea that anyone outside of political partisans believe that the president doesn't want

you're absolutely right, lou, and rubio's right.on't doubt that the republican and even some democratic senators who are with him on this proposal are really thinking about the security of our country first, and i applaud them for doing that. what's the prerequisites? what's the country saying to itself when we address the undocumented population? something we want to do because we feel like it or things we have to have in place. lou: let's not go that deep psychologically, but i think everyone at this point is ready to do what's best for the country, and that is, of course, as 66% of those surveyed in the most recent fox news poll, says let's resolve the issue. at the same time, this administration refuses to, as i just said, to put security first, and, indeed, just lost a court case against i.c.e. agents suing the administration blocking them from doing their job. >> court case in texas, the judge said, look, you know, here's the agents, ten agents, they came in and said we can't do our job. we're told on the one hand to uphold ob

putting out people like marco rubio to talk about immigration in palatable ways.mnesty means you have to apologize for something and that's a messaging thing that might be trickling down even to the local guys who could probably vote very safely against it and not deal with any consequences. >> talking about that messaging that's perhaps why rubio on rush limbaugh radio show today of all places talking to the rank and file. you talked about polling, running in virginia and finding out the deep level of passion that people have about this, especially republican voters and talking about race is a zero sum game and people feeling something is taken away from them, a lot of people feel like what am i losing in this? people getting the pathway to citizenship and why everybody has to talk about enforcement first, tough on them first and then give them something to stick before the carrot but it's going to be very difficult. i think the leaders of the republicans clearly see demographics as destiny and article in "the new yorker" talking about texas could go purple but a

first, i want to take up senator rubio's comments. he said, "i am concerned by the president's unwillingness to accept significant enforcement triggers before current undocumented immigrants apply for a green card. without the triggers in place, enforcement systems are not implemented and back in a few years dealing with millions of new undocumented people in our country. furthermore, the president ignored the need for a modernized guest worker program to ensure those who want to immigrate legally to make the economy do so in the future, and, finally, the president's speech believes reforming immigration quickly is more important than reforming immigration rights." your response? >> i agree with what senator rubio said. i disagree with chris. the federal law is clear. if you're not an individual who has been here on a permanent green card for more than five years, the state can't consider you giving you any type of government assistance, period. that's what got us set forward. i don't know where the 2.6 trillion mark comes from. i kno

i'm sure you know that senator rubio comes across as reasonable as well. i think. am i wrong. >> he came across as reasonable. there are a couple things he got wrong. weighs demagoguing a little bit and it was disappointing. one is that the president doesn't believe in the second amendment. i don't think there is any evidence for that. the other was going back to the same demagoguery going on when elm congratulation was last brought up making this claim that people are going to get in front of other people when it was made explicit in the kennedy bill that you would have to go to the back of the line. >> bill: okay, but the kennedy/mccain bill is ancient history. we are talking a new vision now obama never said. >> bill: could be amnesty. >> obama never said that working assumption would be we would be something like we had before and they would work from that. >> bill: kirsten, do you object to anything the senator said? anything that he put forth in the guns or the immigration? is there anything n. there that he is doing wrong? >> i think on immigration, it's a s

rubio people.nd his vote on the fiscal cliff, against -- his vote against that fiscal cliff deal shows that he is aligning himself with the tea party. and the two of them clashing, it could be a very interesting conversation between the two. >> i have nothing -- going to your point, there are two numbers that everyone can understand. the house and the senate are in session together. exactly five days in january. and 11 in february. which gives you a good read on why it's going to take so long. andrea: and when we come back, does hillary clinton still in a st andrea: welcome back. hillary clinton is out of the hospital. we're all glad for that. she has been cleared by her doctors to go back to work. she's already on the phone calling staff. big question of the week, if she wants to run for president, is she still in a strong position? bob? >> yes. >> gloria. >> absolutely. andrea: and bob and all of that you joe biden had an aneurysm. other candidates -- cheney we know about. five heart attacks. oth

going back to what you mentioned of marco rubio, beyond ironic so against amnesty. this isn't amnesty. it is a planned of earned citizenship. amnesty is what his family took advantage of through the special status of cuban refugees. >> part of ronald reagan's plan. >> the democrats need to sell it as earned citizenship. it is not amnesty. >> let's play for you what jay carney said on the plan we should hear in about 30 minutes from the bipartisan group. let me play it. >> the president welcomes the efforts by the bipartisan group in the senate to put forward principles on the need for comprehensive immigration reform. principles that mirror the president's blueprint. i'm not going to negotiate legisla legislative tactics from here. >> so does this mean the president will allow the lawmakers to take the lead, especially when you look at this graphic of people involved from john mccain to lindsey graham and of course chuck schumer just to name two of the people there that the president will let these men work out the deal? >> i think that's right and this has been typ

chuck schumer, john mccain, dick durbin, marco rubio and bob menendez will discuss the plan. we'll bring it to you live. our first read team notes this is the first time senator mccain signed on to a priority of president obama. he takes the vision on the road to las vegas. but within the last hour, white house press secretary jay carney confirmed the president would not unveil specific legislation. the plan unveiled today would be the first major immigration overhaul proposal in six years but one border state democrat congressman castro of texas say that is the devil is in the details. >> we've got to make sure that those measurements, when we have determined that we have secured the border, that those measurements are objective. otherwise you will have fights down the road where folks are saying, well, wait a minute. let's not move on to the second phase of the bill because we have not first completed the first phase. >> besides border security, there's guest workers and employer verification and a path to citizenship for the 11 million illegal immigrants in this country. l

rubio talked about, it and looks like, tentatively the panel emgraced -- embraced i had idea you can continue to work but you do not get access to government benefits like obama care. >> that would be interesting. >> how many benefits are denied you? if you say we'll allow your kitd get a free lunch if you're poor, this might expand the amount of people willing to support reform. >> it will lead to the crux of the matter. bobby jendal, the governor of weez we, roll tape. >> we've got to stop being the stupid party. i'm serious, it's time for a new republican party that talks like adults for us to articulate our plans and visions for america in real terms, it's no secret a number of republicans damaged the brand with offensive comments i'm here to say we've had enough of that. >> stop being stupid party. you say? >> i think he's right. talking about todd akin of missouri and richard murdock and terrible comments on abortion. i think he's right. this is reported by daniel patrick monahan. talking about understanding that. so do people like paul ryan and skolt walker have been emphasize

and the thing is that i hear this mark rubio -- marco rubio rubio -- i'm mexican he's cuban.t one time. montana. but the thing is i'm an american mexican. i'mrdic late and well--- i'm articulate and well-educated. my entire family has fought in every war. all of the things that we've done in this country, you know, will be -- being mexican i'm apache indian. that runs through my family. >> stephanie: did you hear what the president said yesterday unless you're native-american, you know, you came here from somewhere else. >> the thing is what is a mexican? a mix between indian and the thing is after the spanish left, we kept marrying back into the indian culture. that's why i'm saying that geronimo and people like this -- >> stephanie: i think it would be helpful if we can start the conversation without using words like illegals to refer -- >> caller: we're not illegal. >> stephanie: or amnesty. >> caller: the thing is that i'm an american mexican. they depict me as a man speaking with a broken accent, being uneducated. not being able to express myself. i have to have somebody

and so i thank my colleagues and turn it over to senator rubio. mr. rubio: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from florida. mr. rubio: thank you. and just let the record reflect that i did not mean to offend hockey fans. on the contrary, we have -- we have two hockey teams -- we have the florida panthers and the lightning in the tampa bay area who actually have won the stanley cup before, and the panthers in the play-offs last year. so we like hockey, too, although you can't play it outdoors in florida. but in any event, i think the point is well taken that we do want the best and brightest. the one point i want to make is the one thing i have picked up on on the immigration issue in general in the last 24-48 hours is how important it is that accurate information reach the american people about what it is we're working on and what it is we are not working on. immigration is a complicated thing. you know, i hear a lot of discussion about immigration, i will have more to say about it later today, but immigration is a complicated process. the one we have now is

i think that colleagues and turn it over to senator rubio. >> mr. president. >> senator from florida. >> let the record reflect to did not mean to offend hockey fans. the florida panthers and the lightning tampa bay area won the stanley cup, so we like hockey, too, although you can play it outdoors in florida. in any event, the point is well taken that we want the best and brightest. the one point i want to make, the one thing i picked up on in general and the last 24 to 48 hours is how important it is inaccurate information reached the american people about what it is for working on and not working on. immigration is a complicated thing. i hear a lot of discussion about immigration and all have more to say later today. immigration is a complicated process. it's important for people to understand what we're trying to do and what it is not. that's true for the entire issue of immigration. to that man, i want to issue a public challenge to the companies who in the past have gotten engaged in the public discourse in the public debate on issues that inv

senator marco rubio was one of them.ke to the republican senator out of florida just a bit earlier today. senator rubio, good morning to you, and welcome back to "america's newsroom". >> thank you. bill: the president will speak later today in las vegas. do you expect him to blow up your plan? >> well, first of all, we'll reserve judgment until the president speaks. the early reports are that the president seems like he is trying to start a bidding war. we'll not do an immigration bidding wars. we have a set of principles. i've been talking about them for a number of weeks. fortunately there is a group of senate democrats and republicans here who had similar principles. we were able to join together to announce those principles. now we'll turn those principles into a bill, into a law. obviously at some point that is just the starting point. because we have all the other members in the senate have their opinions. what the president sees this opportunity to move the issue to the left to outbid us on immigration. i think th

la propuesta migratoria de un republicano, volvemos ♪ ♪ >> en una entrevista con el senador marco rubioica una reforma migratoria. >> una reforma remodernizada para este 2013. >> obviamente no queremos premiar con una amnistia migración ilegal y tenemos que ayudar a gente que ya esta aquí. >> coincide con lo del presidente en donde a fines de enero mirara la feroma política. >> donde la gente pueda venir de forma segura y viable, o crear sistema electronico para controlar gente que salga y entre del país. >> va a haber investigracion, pagaran multa e impuestos que no pagaron, tendran que hablar ingles y saber como funciona el sistema, temporalmente tendran permiso de trabajo,. >> el partido republicano y democratas es nuestra culpa que no hablamos y que se haga algo durante estos meses. >> este mes tratara de tocar el tema, aunque sabe que notodos estarán de acuerdo. >> cual es la diferencia remocrata y republicana?. >> obama apoya la ciudadania, la de rubio solo la residencia, en tanto el senador no establece el tiempo de espera, pero diec que tiene que ser largo. >> la iglesia catolic

you cannot underestimate the importance of having marco rube y -- rubio on that list.ee the shift -- >> a little defensive. he's having to play a lot defense. >> a little bit but the fact that he's a part of it and he's so well liked in that segment of the republican party for which is comprehensive is code word for amnesty is helpful. >> maria, that's the big compromise if you will, that these republicans are making. despite all this talk that nothing comprehensive can get done, rubio says, no, no, we're never going to get border security without the pathway to citizenship. >> it also shows how mccain is mentoring rubio. basically mccain sat him down and said we need to do something comprehensive. unless they pass comprehensive immigration reform, they're going to have a latino vote problem the next day. they have to craft something smart, comprehensive. >> perry, what the white house says tomorrow, we know they're going to be supportive that the senate is taking action. the question is do they come out in some detailed proposal that's to the left of this to increase

you saw what marco rubio said. marco rubio felt that even taxing households single individuals making $400,000 and households making over $450,000, that that was unacceptable because that would be a killer for small business. he has a point because a lot of small business owners are people who are in that category and when they take a hit in their taxes, they tend to cut back on hiring new people. they might even lay people off. so it could have an adverse affect on employment numbers going forward. at the end of the day we need to get this done so that the majority of americans don't get hurt by automatic tax increases. i think that -- >> let me just stop you there and chris ask you if you buy that. there's a lot of disagreement about the number of people who actually will be affected by this in terms of being small business owners and the number of people they employ. >> this has been the argument that the republicans keep, you know, using to make -- to make the notion that you can't increase taxes and you can't

i don't think that's the case of senator rubio.ow something out there that is food for thought. president's plan will call for equal treatment of same-sex couples. that's something that some of these senators even when they say they support immigration reform will not get behind because ofbecause they need the support of his base in tight races. it's sticky ground when you say i don't feel comfortable on issue x. it's this particular issue that i'm holding out, it's not that i oppose immigration reform. we'll hear more from those who worry oh alienating those who oppose immigration reform. >> jennifer: do you think they'll get this done because they really need it. >> one of president obama's key field organizers is helping to want initiative to turn my home state of texas blue, which is unthinkable two election cycles ago. the question is going to become whether or not they can get enough people in line to pass it. that's the real question. think about this, senator rubio could run for president and say i tried to get it done. it'

rubio is the shining star out of this. is he being boosted way up? >> absolutely. he's done more than talk. he's done something in washington, which is hard to do. and he went back on what he said less than two months ago. he told me at a politico breakfast he thought it would be smarter to do this in pieces, to build individual coalitions for the parts of the immigration bill. he's gone along with the big bill too. that makes it hard. the president yesterday in his speech in las vegas didn't draw any red lines. left himself room to pull back a little bit from parts of his bill that are different from the senate one. but we had senator ted cruz of texas, tea party voice, important voice from the southwest, come out yesterday against the bill. that hurt. >> we have more information. andrea mitchell sat down with secretary of state hillary clinton and i want you to listen to some of the sound she had and we'll get your opinion on what you heard. >> what do you think didn't go well? what went wrong? >> benghazi went wrong. that was a terrible example of trying to get

members of this group of eight is senator marco rubio of florida. he's a key voice in getting conservatives to sign off on an amnesty plan. >> we have to be sure not to encourage people to come here illegally in the future. by the same token, we are dealing with 11 million human beings who are here undocumented. the majority of whom who recognize it as the american dream. let me say on both sides of this issue, there are legitimate points to be raised. there are people concerned about how much this is going to cost the american economy. we have to be frank of dealing with that. we owe $16 trillion. >> there's a small majority of americans, 51% support a plan that allows undocumented workers to stay and apply for citizenship. they hope to vote in march. jim is joining us. good morning. >> how are you? >> the senate is all in on this one. this is a big comprehensive plan. >> it is. i think it is significant. chuck schumer was saying you have mccain and rubio up there with chuck schumer shows there's bipartisan appeal. it could fall apart. house republ

the amnesty happens immediately. >> he is talking about marco rubio.e put himself cross wise with a lot of republicans and put himself out there on immigration reform? >> believe it or not, i agree with david on a different point. in terms of marco being naive, the actual piece of legislation of immigration by the president and by the senate is strong and it addresses the weaknesses of 1986 and the 1965 reform. where rubio is being naive is not thinking this is going to help with the 2016 presidential run. it's not going to help them. it's going to hurt him with the base. you you want to run for president, you have to get out of the primary. you don't see folks from peoria or paris liking his stand on immigration. on the democratic side, he thinks he might get cross over democratic voters, but immigration will be a president obama initiative. people will relate to the president and marco rubio will be a long second afterthought. >> senator viter aside, if marco rubio's goal was to convince the far right republicans to consider immigration reform, his i

could it happen to marco rubio? >> it could.ut this is how he will define himself as a national figure. there's no doubt that marco rubio is running for president in 2016. he's going to think that he's going to try and bring the republican party along with him if he can. did he get out there maybe a little too visibly and a little too enthusiastically on day one with the gang of eight? perhaps. but i think he's thinking he's going to make a big national play. and he's going to work from the outside in. he's going to be the conservative who can appeal to the hard working, intense people at the grassroots in iowa, south carolina, et cetera. but also give them the sort of ronald reagan promise of being able to reach back to the middle. that's the argument rubio will make. is that naive? on one level, perhaps. but it also may be shrewd. >> howard fineman, thank you. thank you for being shrewd. nia-malika henderson as well. >>> up next, before hillary clinton steps down as secretary of state, we thought we'd look back at her lighter